Put on Your Own Mask Before Helping Others

that I'd like to introduce Jack Daniel jack is was is I guess the founder one of the founders of the original the first b-sides in Vegas he's also probably the guy that's put the most effort into keeping the International b-sides organization running he works for tenable security who has paying his way here so we're very blessed to have him and he's going to deliver our afternoon keynote thank you so let's see if we can figure out technology here in central push that but look at the entity so let's start off on a sad note i'm gonna i'm going to kick in and we go a couple of different directions but first some of the older folks in the room and

amazingly a lot of younger folks in our industry know that we lost one of the most amazing people in our industry last week Becky base if you don't know Becky or of Becky you should she left South Alabama to become a Fed was instrumental in early network analysis and intrusion detection when she was at NSA before their what they became she is influential in the careers of a lot of the people that founded the companies that our industries are built on particularly if it had anything to do with looking at network traffic she had the nickname the den mother of intrusion detection she yelled at me not really but she gave me crap for calling her

that she said she preferred to cranky broad she died unexpectedly at 61 last week and a lot of us in the industry are still reeling but I bring it up not to be depressing I've got I do that later in the talk I get depressing but the most amazing thing about her is that she was a mentor and a friend to everybody I mean we lost Howard Schmidt like a week before who was significant in our industry and he was a great guy and he had a lot of friends but Becky was somebody that but come in for the big hug I just if she reached out grabbed you by the heart and we're all gonna miss her but I

realized it's like oh those of us that were lucky enough to know these people we owe you something those of you who didn't so I have always done a lot in community I feel good about it I'm redoubling my efforts to help build stronger communities help people individually as well as professionally and that's in large part because info mom has left us but she left us a little homework which segues into another project of mine and briefly mentioned shoulders of info SEC this is a horribly ugly wiki with a whole bunch of people on it that found at our industry it's primarily security folks although thanks todavia tan heimer there quite a few of the hacker folks in it there sections on

the early antivirus people and web app sec people the web apps Act section was really depressing because there are two people in that list of like 40 or 50 that are my age or older everybody else kid but anyway there's some cool stuff there a lot of great stories if you know anybody that should be on that list let me know if you go there and see people that you know and you've got a story about them especially the folks we've lost recently Howard Schmidt and particularly Becky share them with me and if it's about Becky I'll share it with her lifelong partner business partner Terry Gilbert who's got an amazing memorial so if you want to hear

about an amazing person and have your allergy medicine and Kleenex and II followed the link on Becky's page to everything that Terry's collected on her butt shoulders vinto sec because here's the deal about this if you've been in this industry for decades or if you're just trying to get in as soon as you land you run full speed just trying to keep up you we don't have a chance to look back over our shoulder and figure out how we got here so i started this to force myself to learn and also do a series of presentations on it so that didn't in an hour you can get a quick thing but moving on to what we're doing so you are

here actually we're a little south of that right so we're not quite in the downtown but you're here this is the third besides Oklahoma this is big it is great it is great seeing young folks it's great seeing old people other than myself you know but anyway you're here one of the things I would like to stress is that if I click the button on the right direction it looks better you're here but you're also part of all of this this is the places that have hosted a b-sides in North America you're part of this community you're part of this community I took this screenshot a week ago it is outdated Luxembourg is not on

there delhi india is not on there I believe you Myanmar what used to be called Burma is up there this is event number 317 since a few of us kind of threw an event together in July of 2009 317 events globally since july of 2009 this is the 15th be sides of this year there 38 more that have dates set for 2017 we're going to break passed last year there were 70 around the globe so probably at about 75 this year as a guess 103 different cities around the globe in 27 countries of hosted b-sides the green dots by the way our first time places including Kampala Uganda and across Europe and Asia and it's amazing

and you're a part of it which leads me to something how many people have is this their first b-sides event ever that's awesome because I want to talk to you about the founders circle so a lot of organizations and a lot of events have their founder circles and you get the special pin that says I'm better than you as I've been doing this and this is my 62nd 63rd b-sides besides is different we're growing community growing structures need growing foundations every single person here is part of the founders circle because you're what this is built on your what the industry is built on your what the community is built on so whether this is your 60th

event or your first event welcome to the b-sides founders circle welcome to our community thank you for joining us and I mean that truly so the talk itself so the theme is you know preparing for the storm talk itself is put on your own mask before helping others something important to point out I'm going to talk about stress burnout and preventing it and if nobody gets any value from it it means that none of you are suffering from stress or in danger of burnout none of you have friends family or coworkers in that situation in which case you're going to be bored for an hour and that's good yeah so anyway why this topic

have all this is Danny and how psychologists at night and Clark penny I'm sick of typing I want to quit but I don't know how I support myself if I did I ask yourself this question what is it that you really enjoy about typing how you feel bad I don't like anything about typing every morning when I get ready for work I start crying what's wrong with me you hate your work it's normal have a good day so not everyone has a job as cool as mine I admit that and sometimes you have to climb your way through and life is more than work or at least it should be this is a real challenge for those of us that like

technology because I know you've been there so we have this thing that's a hobby and it's fun and then we realize we can we can make a job out of it and then we can make a career out of it and then it's dredge work and it turns out though we're okay at it and so what we do is we build companies or join companies and we become managers and what we do is we go out and look for the young people who are thrilled by this and have this hobby that is a passion does a spark that we used to have and we burned out of ourselves and we hire you and we burn that spark out of you

maybe that's not the ideal way to do this in it that's that's a little fatalistic but you know there's more to work but if you know what you do is work all day on technology issues and then go home and hackett things and when you get tired of hacking at things you play video games you're not really disconnecting much and it does actually compound it so we need to be prepared for ourselves our friends families peers communities one of my favorite quotes is from dan gear security is too wide to master too deep to Nolan too fast to photograph I want to stress that Dan gear said that right I mean if Dan gear if you're not familiar with Dan gear

find anything he's ever done said or written and you'll understand why did it so a few months ago Joey put this poll up on Twitter and I thought it was interesting you workin dfi are okay self-explanatory right you know so we have some challenges

as Bob sang years ago everybody must get on I mean that's the reality especially if you're on the blue team if you're on the defense side but if you're on the red team side it gets depressing too because Larry Pesch she tells the story co-host on them security weekly was like when he first started doing pen testing every time he got in you know once he got total total compromise of the target that meant that he had succeeded and he would treat himself to a steak dinner and then he got sick of eating steak because he'd just you win right you win when you attack in when you have good clients good customers as a pin duster

red team ER gets harder and harder every year you have to go to the edges but you generally get in unless they scope you out of it but everybody must get on I mean that sort of thing everybody's everybody's compromised it's it's a mess so it's a challenge we have these externalities not to sound like an economist where we're not in control of our own world so the job is challenging so where does this leave us the infosec pose on a good day and these are the good days because the bad days there's a pigeon crapping on our heads alright maybe we'll back it off a little bit we can have the the feline face palm

instead but how do we cope and not just cope survive and thrive so that you can make a difference in your own life and your family's life and your friends lives so you can lead happy healthy lives I have a reputation of being a cranky old man it's well deserved but people are starting to see through that so I'll just I'll just let you know I actually want you to be happy I also want you to be happy and productive so some of the old folks here can retire someday so here's the goal to still it right down here's what we want to avoid that's not McDonald's that's the hospital with the machines that go Bing hooked up to

you we don't want to be there right we want to be a lot better so disclaimer I'm not an expert in anything the last time that I was anywhere near expert was in late 70s and early 80's renault automobiles yes I worked on rhinos and cujo's and Volvo's and sobs and things in the past life of former mechanic having worked on renault and pujo i think gave me the masochism required to work in infosec too but seek real expertise for problems I'm not an expert I'm an amateur guide at best I still get lost myself at a dislike so one of the things I've discovered so memory kind of goes away with age and it gets weird but

one of the things that when I was dealing with some stuff many years ago my doctor pointed out there's like hey you're dealing with some stuff and your memories going to suffer and I'm like oh you know it really is and the older you get every time you get into a high-stress incident the worse it gets and it's like we legalized recreational marijuana in Massachusetts but I don't have enough short-term memory left to remember to pick some up so it's just as well that I'm not you know the doing so stress and do we any of us need to remember anything and what we do we don't we don't have to know anything anymore we just ask Google anyway but

and then we have to talk about a couple more things so impostor syndrome this industry is amazing because you can go into a room and there's Johnny freakin long right there oh my god Johnny is in the front or my talk my god I'm surrounded by brilliant hard-working people I'm insignificant I don't know why you hear what's what's wrong with imposter syndrome tears up our industry and that lack of confidence is is a real challenge and most people come to accept it if you're cool you're smart you're engaged you're interested you may be full of crap sometimes we all are it's a little secret you know a lot of us a lot of us fake it until you make it that's

not great advice but we've all been there so you know plunge on have talks with people who actually know what's going on and listen to them because this is actually debilitating for a lot of people and then adds distress and unfortunately not everybody has imposter syndrome most of the people that I know that have bad imposter syndrome really is its imposter syndrome they shouldn't feel that way on the flip side if you're unfamiliar with the dunning-kruger effect that's the people who are so incompetent that they think they're competent we do have a few of those in the industry not naming names but you can probably if you've been in the business for a while you poke still in a

name or two there for your own sake so getting into the more practical a group of us have done some work on formal stress and burnout and in those studies in the psychological documentation there are three key words that we talk about in that one of them is good its efficacy am I effective and it's very important to say this is personal your company got popped but you did the best you could and you're doing the best you can to keep it from happening again and clean up you can feel good even though the overall situation is not great we as an industry can say we're here together we're making connections we're trying to advance the craft even though the state

is we're kind of screwed with the state of security right but we can feel good so if efficacy the two bad ones are exhaustion and cynicism exhaustion self-explanatory it's not the good exhaustion you get after a run not that I run or you know working on a project or something it's you know that good tired you get that's okay it's when you're and in cynicism which honestly in our industry that's our core competency we have statistical data to prove this not just the research that the group I worked with has done but something needs to be said about cynicism because in this industry and as a hacker even if you're outside even if you're hobbyist

skepticism is really important right opening this cover will void the warranty but no user serviceable parts challenge accepted right you know but then you slide over you know why this one you pizza box with a bunch of LEDs and you'll be safe so George Carlin quote for a lot of us old cynics I like the point this out inside every cynical person there is a disappointed idealist and if you remember that about yourself as you're being cynical you won't be quite as toxic to people around you so as I mentioned some of us did a study on burnout and almost half of the people on our study had no warning indicators out of those three and when I started going

to the other side how do we avoid how do we avoid you folks being a statistic and the next time we do the true burnout study let's look at the people who had no indicators at all it's a better random number generator than the NSA will sell to RSA sorry yeah so moving on who wants some coffee afternoon a little tired had some lunch I'm just a storyteller and I'm great I'm great at bad metaphors and bad analogy so imagine you're a happy little coffee being on a mountainside somewhere in a nice tropical climate and some guy plucks you off of ranch you get picked packed shipped roasted ground and then as if that's not

enough you get boiling hot water poured over you or worse yet high-pressure steam that doesn't sound like our jobs at all does it come back to that things we love and hot water under extreme pressure boom now the result good bad there's an how you like your coffee if you got it right so far you have an opportunity to have a great shot of espresso maybe you prefer an americano or a latte so you had your flavorings you add your enhancements and this is how you come up with that cup of coffee that makes you happy it's not too bitter it's not undrinkable it's a happy little cup of coffee right from the stress and

burnout stuff here are these four phases of these things burdens coping burnout an impact and we want to stay above these we want to look at our burdens we want to look at the coping skills and try to filter that out so what comes out is we have a happy little cup of coffee as a life that we're happy to share with folks so being a hardcore data scientist I asked on Twitter how people cope with work because you know Twitter is a great place for unbiased well never mind I got a lot of answers I mean seriously I got over 600 unique respondents that gave me well over 700 answers between publicly on Twitter privately on twitter via

email via text message via carrier pigeon I it was amazing the response I got one struck the one of the early ones struck me as it's great this is a service i offer but that's ask before you start sparking my beard it gets it gets weird yeah no no no not really yes and you may have noticed that my version of PowerPoint has become sentient and heckles me so so a couple of things became clear there are big stressors and there are little stresses and we can call them transient and persistent whatever you want to do this is a gross oversimplification but it works really well for a huge number of people that I talked to over the past

decade and getting into this and others who are doing research the coping mechanisms have to make sense for what you're up against I know people that have been in really less than ideal jobs for a long time and the reason they're able to do it is they put all of those little coping skills that we tell you how to do to make it through a bad morning or a bad phone call and they just stack up a stack of coping skills so that they can continue to be miserable but slightly less miserable for years on end I also know a couple of people that have none of those skills at all and so they jump to a good job and

are gone within nine to twelve months and have been doing that for 15 years now if your career is moving forward and you're advancing and technology we tend to be a little bit more tolerant of job hopping but once you're in you know 40s or 50s and you've never held a job for more than two years you're probably going to have a problem so it's aligning the things and you have to have the context so don't put bandages on mortally wounded jobs don't change jobs annually because you don't have the skills it takes to do it so we are a bit north of Texas but some of you may know I was born and raised in Texas and the

beauty of the that is it gives me an excuse for aberrant behavior for the entire rest of my life like what de hell is Jack doing you know he's from Texas oh okay so every few years in Texas they decide they're going to secede so we have your basic redneck super duty there with a cherry picker in the bed and this sends you a really clear message right context matters though because if you look and you see it's got a Massachusetts license plate it sends you a really clear message it just sends a very different message you have to understand the situation so I guess what I'm saying is sometimes the right thing to do is take

a big step this is not the time to take a big step you know back away slowly so anak data common answers back to that Twitter stuff it's got to be good so the how do you cope a bunch people responded pretty candidly badly not well poorly cry rant I think those fall into the less than ideal the one that was most useful and second most common I can boil down to do something preferably outdoors physical activity ranging from putting the phone on Do Not Disturb getting up and doing a lap of the building and coming back the last time I had a support job I used to reach that point get up walk 200 yards to starbucks get a

giant vat of caffeine walk Mac I was okay because the caffeine didn't calm down the problem i'm sure you but you know get out into you know whatever it is you're powerlifting camping kayaking yoga whatever a lot of exercise stuff a lot of physical activity get out and do something single most common answer except for one that's coming up so moving on another one was probably was in the top three so would have been right behind this is I think a broad range of music [Music]

so whether you're into mellow 70s soft rock or early punk that's the Sonics if you're into music and don't know who the Sonics are you need to find that out the Sonics did Punk 58 years before there was Punk the Sonics did grunge decades before grunge that little song strychnine is from 70 64 65 roses are red poisonous blue strychnine is good for what's ailing you anyway so wherever you find entertainment people find creating music playing music just GM and earbuds in although that isolates you from other people sometimes that's good sometimes it's not great but people just find music is great I have some of the most eclectic music tastes when I allow one of my systems to do things based on

what I've listened to I go from pre-war French jazz too Punk to surf guitar too Luna Lee who is very strange you haven't heard of Luna Lee complete Cidre Luna Lee is a Korean woman young woman that plays the gig I am which is a traditional Korean instrument stringed instrument she put thinner Springs on it and retuned them for western strings and does all sorts of hard rock and classic rock songs on a traditional Korean instrument it's crazy it's amazing anyway so music you know whatever it does it you know some of us like really edgy stuff some people like to be mellow stuff you know if Adele does it for you that's cool her popular stuff doesn't do

it for me but she's actually got a killer voice this stuff out there don't judge listen to stuff that makes you happy of course that does lead somewhere come on so yes sedation alcohol this is the number one answer by far how do we cope booze most of us feel bad that we drink too much that's about the most positive i can give you on this one i am guilty of this i drink more than i should i encourage other people to do it because one of the things i do at conferences i give talks on bitters and classic cocktails and i've done introductory home bartending workshops and things like that moderation moderation my friends we feel bad about

that but then we move on to drugs legal and otherwise you can look at me and you can figure out that I grew up in the 60s and 70s and I'm not going to be judgmental about your stuff unless you're screwing other people over with it or damaging yourself which then screws other people over with it but we've had folks in our industry and in our lives who thought they were tougher than drugs they almost all end up in the same place

don't go there you know seriously I agency if you're doing things under supervision but a lot of times our medical establishment likes to give people things that most people react okay too I said not being judgmental currently in a lot of states have legalized recreational marijuana more have legalized medical marijuana I can tell you for a fact that anybody at DEA or anywhere else that dismisses anything about medical marijuana I just hope they never have to understand how wrong they are and watch a loved one suffer but in our political climate marijuana's tricky because it's still federally illegal it'll keep you from ever coming back into the US if you're not an American citizen because you've done illegal

drugs by the federal standards even though it was legal in Denver or wherever you went so just be cautious the world's a mess I don't know what I don't have a point there but that was a really common one moving on to something else friends and family this one's interesting because is this a problem source or a solution source yes support especially mutual support really rocks one-sided support in short bursts is okay everyone needs a hand sometimes when it becomes I don't to say parasitic but when it stays one-sided for too long it starts to be problematic but connecting with friends and family is a huge huge thing for us this is challenging disconnect unplug

if you are more trusting I would say close your eyes till you head back and relax

join me on a train ride through the Scottish Highlands or wherever you want to take that train

walk along the beach with me just disconnect unplug walk away from it all now of course some of you have just seen the hypocrisy in that because I recorded those things while I was on that train in the Scottish Highlands and as I was walking across that Beach in coastal georgia so maybe i could learn a little bit too but really get out now the challenge is it if you do you come back and you're like ah while wearing an Apple watch no it makes you know there are some companies that just started to see the value of this Volkswagen in Germany and Wilfred they disconnect you from your email depending on your job title you are disconnected and don't

have access to email from like two hours after you are off shift until an hour before you can't get your email and go home that would work really well in the American software industry i can see that taken over Silicon Valley Canyon so more answers a lot of variations on mindfulness and meditation a surprising few did professional therapy and I think that's part of that we still have a stigma about mental health we need to get over it a whole bunch of productivity tools which aren't necessarily stress-related but if you know getting things done or any of those sort of productivity tools works for you then you're more efficient and you're less stressed you know find those tools

that work for you a lot of people love their pets various hobbies video games which can be challenging if you are like my son who is 31 and does support for a software you know security product he gets up in the morning and turns on the work computer hits the bathroom works for an hour so goes downstairs grabs breakfast and he comes back and like eight or nine hours later he turns off the work computer eats dinner in front of the TV then goes back up and plays video games until he falls asleep I'm not sure that that's good but it's working for him so just don't let these things get too far away from you so edge cases not sure if

these were all serious carving cameo images of dead Emperor's in the cream of Oreo cookies nihilism that's us I will say the covering yourself and peanut butter and howling at the moon came from an Australian so that may be an actual practice those those of you who have come out of the military might appreciate redneck golf that tends to be 5 55 56 at 500 yards tends to kind of tell me about your background a little bit sex drugs and death metal cool whatever so now I'm going to be mean to you sometimes you figure this out then when life kicks you hard I don't recommend this but it works really well so I'm going to get really personal here

when my mother died of cancer when I was 31 that was not enough of a kick to get me to realize what was important when I was diagnosed with bladder cancer and became used to a regular procedure that if you've had your legs just crossed and if you haven't lucky you ah they're not malignant it won't kill you it's you're just going to have to deal with having tumors taken out of your bladder every few years okay whatever that wasn't enough not quite three years ago my best friend my wife was diagnosed with clear cell ovarian cancer she passed away three days before Christmas we were just short of our 37th wedding anniversary we met

when she was 14 and I was 15 and we started dating a couple of months later that one did it by the way that got my attention that's like oh oh so at work we've launched a new platform which is the future the company I've been with for almost six years I want them to succeed I think we have some cool people to do some cool stuff I want them to succeed because I got a lot of options if somebody calls me and need something personally that goes way ahead of making sure that I deliver whatever it is I'm supposed to do to to help that product because you people matter more to me don't let it take somebody blowing a

hole in your life that sized to step back and think about what's important to you I by the way just to head it off I am doing great thanks to people in this community and some people outside of it the number of people that have been supportive of me has been absolutely amazing if you are new to this especially if you watch Twitter you will find there are a lot of really unpleasant people out there turns out they're not that many and they're just really loud and they're an amazing bunch of people so I'm going to zip through here and get out of that let's crawl back out of that but don't let yourself get to the point where it takes

something that brutal to wake you the heck up don't face challenges alone if you can avoid it don't make employees face challenges along here's one that you know do more wait I'm already stressed it's got to be stuff that you want to do satisfying and rewarding things helping other people falls into that category for me maybe it doesn't work for you but that's all right volunteer mentor teach speak share help teaching is phenomenal you may have just discovered in map and just realized that in map can help you diagnose basic problems with an email server there are some of us who have known that for a really long time there are a lot more people who have never heard of in map

and don't know that you can do that with it and you bring a new perspective you bring your perspective as someone who maybe has grown up with technology and never had to dig into the nuts and bolts your perspective matters your voice matters and when you teach somebody something you have to learn it better yourself mentorship is fantastic if you have any hypocritical tendencies which every human does it's fantastic because you mentor somebody you're on the phone call you're like whatever you do don't do this and you know this is like career poison if you go that way so don't go there and then you hang up the phone and you slam your head into the desk because

you see yourself having done that repeatedly in your career which is how you know to tell them that and then you realize you're doing it again right now what a hypocrite hopefully they listen and learn better than me learn something new education is work it has to be fun right or you know move your career forward this is one that somebody brought up to me recently and I hadn't really thought about the boy is this true you're the iphone hacker dude well what if life changes and you're no longer the iphone hacker dude we all know you're the hackers for charity guy nope you are Johnny hackers for charity is something amazing that we know you

for but you're Johnny and if you let that define you you are not your job you're not your skill you are a person who has skills and interests I after a conversation at a recent event I was like wow that's amazing skip through this stuff if you're a manager employer do you have all of the talented and trained people you need and is it easy to hire them that's too many words capacity to influence or if you have some input into your job you won't hate it as much amazing if you undermine people's autonomy you keep them from being productive and make them cynical and distant yeah if you feel some sense of control and understanding we engage

with work better ah this is the ancient stuff as a manager employer provide feedback constantly oh and by the way when dumb stuff happens like I am sorry look I got explain this to you we're about the IPO and that means anybody logical is either locked in a closet or killed so just hang on okay just hang on yes it makes no sense than IPO so these are like why my joke you can pass this one for those of you who have been in the software industry or other industries and gone through this process familiar collective nouns so a group of cattle was you know a herd of cattle and group of sheep is a flock and my

favorite one is a gathering of crows is a murder you know what you call a feral gathering of vice presidents it's an IPO I may have opinions manage workloads workload distribution if you burn your people out you have to do the work for them that's bad as a manager let people disconnect they be forced it offer education quickly I travel a lot now I cut way back on travel for obvious reasons and I'm enjoying it but I'm not doing the sales engineer or sales rep or you know short engagement pentester kind of travel travel for work is not the same as travel for fun but you can make it better so you don't always know where

you're going to end up you have to actually interact with people and ask them about your neighborhood so for example when you check into the hotel you don't always know how rough the neighborhood is you're not always going to see a crow with a shiv with an ankle bracelet on that's you know on parole right i mean this kind it's rarely this obvious that you're in a bad neighborhood you've got to ask around so if you're me which is a big white dude male being critical here to what I'm about to say I spend a lot of time in bars I make friends of bartenders around the US and Canada single old white dude that's not a big deal okay this is one

of the places women you may have noticed this life isn't fair that doesn't always work as well for women but bartenders tend to be underpaid but well-connected and they will tell you what's safe and what is not safe where the bargains are sometimes if i'm in a tourist area i will just walk up to a cop and be like hey i don't want to be paperwork for you or anybody else on the force tonight so tell me how far I shouldn't walk you know it ask it's like I don't want to be paperwork for you it's like okay you have their attention find out and get out and enjoy it so I didn't realize that Tulsa has a pretty cool bar and

food scene in that little arts district there's some cool stuff there like a look at that that's cool it's amazing so water this is just straight-up drink more water that's that's it just keep drinking more water if you fly a lot here's a trip is to take a decongestant before you fly even if you're not plugged up so when my doctor told me years ago you're less likely to get snuffly your ears are less likely to go pop pop pop if you're if you have you know heat in the winter if you're you know the Heat's on airs dry your nasal passages dry up simple saline spray for a few days before no cracked skin inside

your nasal passages you are much less likely to catch whatever dread disease the sniffling child behind you skews on you every time they cough so you do like I do and live on coffee and alcohol there dehydrating so just be careful pack better there's a whole other talk on that so we go into it I'm helping others yeah you're not a professional don't act like one but you can be a friend a mentor up here back to the title of this back to this that we here I can put on put on your own mask before you try to help others you've got to be in a place to help other people back to back to Bob Dylan for a little bit

advice just don't feel alone you know be there for somebody just listening is often and I'm going to close out with a story about a guitar story actually starts not far from here well for large states in the middle of America

[Music] we lost BB King about two years ago his guitar was named Lucille you can buy a Lucille guitar from Gibson yes 355 unique because the 335 is the one you usually see 355 as a stereo BB was one of the few people that played stereo electric guitars he was one of the few guitarists of his caliber to ever so anyway you know about the Lucille story in the winter of 1949 King was playing a dance hall in twist Arkansas in order to heat the hall old school dance halls plywood building just thrown up tradition was to take a 55-gallon drum cut the top off half fill it with kerosene drop a match in and that was

the source of heat for the dance hall he's a ramshackle wooden how a wooden buildings you can see where this is going can't you during a performance two men began to fight knocking over the barrel so now we've got like 25 gallons of burning kerosene running across a bare wood floor in a wood building all burst into flames triggered an evacuation once he got outside BB realized he had left his brand-new $35 guitar on the stage and he ran back in and got it how's my new guitar

30 bucks actually hired the dark next day they're getting ready for the next show they hear about it on the radio two people died in the fire others r engine turns out the two guys were fighting over a woman named Lucille he named that guitar Lucille to remind him never to do anything that stupid again and the reason you see a lot of Lucille's around at Hard Rock's and other things they're real Lucille's if you signed them he didn't need that guitar this isn't dick tailed beasts or some other heavily customised thing he needed a guitar of a certain type it was just it's just a guitar right it's just a guitar don't run back in and die over a thirty dollar

Gibson so some sources now those are sources of stress not sources if you're if you're interested in this it's some pop psychology but the American Psychological Association every year does a article a report stress and burnout they rotate through topics christina maas lock and Michael Leiter are the folks that did the seminal research into stress and burnout some friends have done stuff I was actually on the rally security podcast recently where we talked about stress and burnout southern-fried security also did one recently on the topic very personal both the Martin Fisher and just Scully had faced that interesting because Joseph is pretty young he's yet hit 30 and he is you know gotten ground up by this and

it's come out the other side in a you know so I guess what I'm saying is this is not the end there's still more talks to come and it doesn't end when the conference ends because hopefully you've met new people here you've made some new connections you've learned some things and you're going to take better care of yourself so that you can take better care of others so that we can all be one big happy hacker family and that's way too idealistic for me but seriously this community is amazing and in the past few years I've had a lot of folks and their late twenties come to me and say when I got into this industry you

guys are doing that stress and burnout stuff and it was stupid I was like what is wrong with these old people they're stupid like this is a great job I'm getting great pay I get my choice like 10 different companies to work for this is great we have three people in in in within about a two-month period came up to me and started pretty much exactly like that and then that they said no now that I've been doing it for a couple of years you got a few minutes to chat so seriously man let's to the young people that this is cool no that stresses are coming we didn't even get into the fact that a lot of my peers now have kids in

college they're trying to pay for while trying to pay for putting their parents into the assisted living thing right life life does ugly things to you that are unrelated to your job take care of yourself have fun and remember that you know just things are going to be challenging there are tools there are people to reach out more there are tools to make this better and you know other than that let's just change the world and make it a better place so thank you very much if anybody's got questions I'll feel them I'll be around for the afternoon and you can find me on that internet thing

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