Resistance Is Futile, We Are All Borg - Len Noe

uh this is just amazing I'm really happy to be here but I'm going to start this out with three pretty easy questions and I kind of took these from Sam's Direction who is len where did he come from and why is he here talking to me so we're going to start off with the simples you know let's start out with who I am uh my name as I said is len no it's pronounced no opposite of yes and if you ask my parents I've been named appropriately because I've heard Len no no no my whole life you know so it really worked out for me um I'm a technical evangelist white hat and I'm a

biohacker for cyber Arc software uh I spent the better part of my youth in my early adulthood as an active criminal uh I was a blackhe hat uh I've been in it professionally now for Going on 30 years you know don't let the beard fool you this is all gray uh I have five daughters three grandsons and two granddaughters so uh I am Gandalf the White um so you know as I said I was a black hatat you know and when I started having grandkids it it was basically time to either grow up or go to jail and I really didn't want to my my grandkids you know getting to meet their papa you know behind bulletproof glass I

mean it's just not a really good look so uh I'm very active on social media look me up on LinkedIn check out my GitHub my YouTube channels if you want I put up security related stuff all the time uh I am also one of the thought leaders and I didn't give myself that name I personally don't even like that term but in the biohacking and transhuman space we're going to get into that a little bit more as we go on but a little bit so I've told you who I am so where did I come from uh honestly I came from Detroit Michigan so yes I'm a Yankee I'm not one of you guys but and and I'm even I I

even had a gentleman over there earlier tonight tell me that you know that you're you guys here are genetically engineered to you know disav the C disavow The Kilt but I appreciate the fact that you're being cool with me um I am an international cyber security speaker I've spoken in 41 different countries and in my youth I was in heavy metal bands I do flesh hook suspensions uh I just like doing really really crazy things um I have spoken at pretty much every major security event around the world at one point or another in my career uh from black hat to sector infos sec week security weekly I've been I've I've been around and I've

also had some of my research published in Forbes Magazine along with you know other business periodicals in over 19 countries and totaling over 150 articles so I've been doing this stuff for a while so when we look at the state of the world today we see complete dependence at every stage of Life on techn ology as examples from the individual's perspective we have integrated so much of our daily lives into the smartphones that even doing Simple Things even to do simple things we now have the additional requirement of Technology excuse me my laptop's acting a little stupid here apparently I didn't sacrifice enough to the demo Gods today so as I was saying Tech was some

supposed to be something that made our lives easier but as we can see it's made them infinitely more complicated you know for anyone familiar with Star Trek or not in you know familiar with Star Trek let me introduce you to my personal favorite character the Borg you know in this series the Borg are a race of cyborg humanoids that will assimilate other organisms into their Collective hives you know once assimilated there's no individuality anymore and the hive acts as a single Consciousness to carry out the will of the queen very similar to the hierarchy in a beehive you know as every new addition is added the Bor would always say the phrase resistance is futile you

know basically to solidify the point that there's no stopping technology the one everpresent similarity to these particular organisms was the always constant addition of some type of biome bi biomechanical biomedical implant add-ons you know this could be anything from mechanical arm to bionic eyes you know regardless of what the upgrade was this species would not be able to exist without that underlying technology layer we as humans are no different with the exception of people walking around with mechanical Limbs and cybernetic Hardware we're just as dependent on technology just in other ways so let me tell you right here and right now we're already assimilated and I'm going to show you the Pro you know we've Incorporated so much

of our lives and existence as well as all of the foundations of our society into technology you know I mean let's take a look at some of the ways our lives and existence are now dependent on the systems that we've created for us both individually as well as from a corporate or Enterprise or governmental perspective you know infrastructure we have everything from the power grid Sanitation Wastewater treatments security cameras traffic lights bridge controls airports air traffic controllers trains Subways basically essentially every bit of our Collective infrastructures have been either connected directly or in those rare air gap situations the controllers themselves may not be connected but the underlying subsystems that are controlling them are medical you know we've seen during

the pandemic where ransomware attacks against hospitals and medic centers were a direct link to at least one death and who knows how many other potential complications think about it in most modern hospitals everything from the QR or the barcode on The Wristband all the way up to the drug Distribution Systems are all backed in some technology stack Supply chains we've seen the Reliance on these over the course of the pandemic and we're all still suffering some type of issue as a result of it we have iot manufacturing you know the manufacturing issues those we can link directly back to the the supply chain issues because they don't have the materials to make their their products you know remote workers you

know the pandemic has forced many organizations to move to a remote Workforce this has pushed new technologies into many organizations that may not be currently prepared for them Financial we have everything from National governments to International transactions and now they're all electronic you know the days of pen and paper ledgers have been gone for multiple decades now remember the movie Fight Club you know if you think about that premise of that movie it was to remove all of the financial records so that everyone could actually start at the exact same level again you know so this concept has been around for a very very long time mobile devices we have pretty much tied our complete identity to these pocket Siz

devices the we hang on a we use them for essentially everything we do personal banking social media we even business related functions on our mobile devices additionally how many services are now only accessible through an app you know this is the trend that we're moving into you know we even have our emergency services and even our politics and voting has all been moved into you know some type of Technology stack dependence you know let's take a look at the Hard numbers for just a minute you know these when I was researching this actually scared the hell out of me you know according to a Penn State study 77% of people said that society as a whole

relies way too much on technology to be able to succeed long term you know and I've even got more facts out there to prove that statistic technology of course has many innumerable benefits but this dependency on phones and computers has impacted humans negatively first and foremost it has led our users to be completely engrossed in their devices in fact there's actually a new term and it was actually coined here in the UK have you guys ever heard of the term nomophobia this is an actual thing it's short for no mobile phone phot according to Trend Hunter 66% of the people the population out there today suffers from nomophobia it was actually cor during a 2008 study by the UK post office who

commissioned yugov to actually evaluate anxieties experienced by mobile phone users you know the study found that nearly 53% of mobile phone us users in Britain tend to be anxious when they lose their mobile phone run out of battery or credit or they have no network coverage the study sampling almost 2200 people found that about 58% of men and 47% of women had this phobia and an additional 9% feel stressed when their mobile phones are are off 55% of those surveys cited keeping in touch with their friends or family is the main reason why the anxiety happens you know the study compared the stress levels induced by the average case of nomophobia to be on par with

wedding day jitters or a visit to the dentist and we've done this to ourselves you know technology is actually even now recognized as an actual addiction you know if you wonder if you're might be too individually dependent you know I got a couple of questions for you you know nothing can be done without the internet if you lose your internet access you're done for the day you lose track of time when you're online you feel anxious without a connection you had a hard time disconnecting and focusing on the present you know you find that you're not living in the moment and often maybe you'll record your memories as opposed to actually experiencing them you know

you don't go out enough and most of your socialization takes place online you feel like something's missing when you don't have your phone you know the list of questions is a lot longer than that these are just the ones that I decided to pull you know most people myself included you know you're probably going to answer yes to at least a couple of these but if you actually answered yes to a lot of them this may be something that you may want to go and investigate on your own so let's take a look at the actual numbers of Internet users period you know according to statistica the global digital population on the worldwide web as of April 2022 was over

5 billion individual users compare that to the total world population at the exact same time which was only 7.9 billion you know that with the numbers of nomophobia you can see how the technology is actually leading into a negative direction for the human as a whole so we're going to close it out with these last two statistics according to the 2021 Microsoft digital defense report 21% of all the attacks out there were actually from nation state actors were actually against consumers you know we all talk about nation state actors going after governments and things but 21% go after consumers SE it's the other 79 that go after Enterprises so what happens when things start overlapping you know we've seen how our

society based our services around technology and these can be compromised as well as leveraged for nefarious purposes what happens when we start blurring the line between humanity and machine and they start to get thin or even get removed completely everyone knows about things like pacemakers and maybe you've had an interaction with like a stem pain management system at a minimum I guarantee that pretty much everybody here has probably seen a hearing aid in their life these are just a few of the multitude of human upgrad or Integrations that we now have available as technology and human augmentation evolve we need to start looking now at how to get ahead of the attacks that we know that will already

be there anyone who's been in the security field for any amount of time will be able to see that the vectors may change but the attacks today are still the exact same attacks that they've always been you know it's somebody looking for credentials information persistence exfiltration or Ransom how the attacks play out will change as the technology changes but at the core the attacks are all still the same so I'm really going to start messing with your heads now and I want to take this conversation in a bit of a different direction I want to ask you guys a very simple yet very very complicated question what makes us human is it a physical form sentient

Consciousness DNA is it a soul is it nothing more than a social construct I mean if we really stop and think about it what makes us human anything that I give you as an answer by today's state of Technology it could be put into question you know we're living in times where there have been multiple claims of sentient computers we have people with artificial intelligence enabled limbs as Prosthetics and we have things like crisper where we can actually modify base code DNA and anyone who gets one of those crisper injections they're Offspring will maintain those same genetic alterations down their genetic lines so again what makes us human and at what point do we stop being

human and become something else you know what would be the conditions that would move an individual out of the human category and into something new and to be honest I question if we're not already there you know if we look at the example of the Borg that I used earlier it's a species that has based their entire existence around technology without it they don't exist period additionally Borg Society has no individualism no unique identity and all members of The Hive will share that same single Consciousness you know in some human cases it's pretty apparent to see that we have to have technology you know look at pacemakers and other medical devices that without them the individuals that

need them would perish but look at the way we interact with our world how almost every action you take in your day is linked to some type of Technology we have Smart devices that make us coffee virtual assistance that give us our daily schedule and we have cars with computers and more sensors in them than we could than I can even count and that's just got us into our morning commute to work ordering goods and commodities and are moving away from brick and mortar stores and moving to more online Mega sites we get our information and news from the same devices that we do our Banking and we make phone calls with you know I I I I can already hear it

now everybody here is still an individual I know I know Humanity doesn't we all don't share a single Consciousness you know and that just doesn't happen I know I know anybody here ever heard the term group mentality or mob mentality you know you know I there are multiple examples of single-threaded behavior in the form of boycotts cancellations character assassinations rhetoric even stock market manipulation all based on a social perception mob mentality is something that's existed as far back as the history books go you know and I believe it's easier now because actually everybody here can be seven meters tall and Bulletproof on anonymously behind the keyboard so we're all still individual now to a point maintaining that

individualism and identity has become even more difficult as we move down and be we blend into this technologically colored background you know I'm going to show over the next couple of slides how securing and maintaining our individual identities is going to become even more of a top priority as we move forward you know the new medical and and Technical advances that are going on these are all things that are available today so I I told you guys that I would get into a little bit about me so if you don't know much about me I'm one of a new and growing movement I am part of the transhuman biohacker or grinder I know I didn't name it I didn't

name it I mean I I prefer to be called a wetwork if you want to know the truth I am a technologically upgraded human version of the standard human being now let me be clear before I start to go down this rabbit hole that I'm not saying that augmented humans are better we're just different you know I don't see much difference between myself and any and really realistically anybody else you know some people are can play a piano some people can play a violin the only difference is I didn't have to do training to get the same abilities but there are people out there in the audience today that I guarantee have skills that I don't

have so these are an actually an older x-ray I actually in this one you can see uh four different implants currently I have eight and I'm continuing to add more so just a quick highle overview of what I currently have uh I have both high frequency and low frequency RFID and NFC I have a credit card I have a biosensing magnet and I'm currently in the process of actually implanting a Raspberry Pi Z 0 W that's loaded with Cali in my leg that gets its power from an indirect power source through uh wireless charging so this is real okay come on you know it's been working so good so you know when I look one of the

things that I'd like to bring out here is it time to redefine what a human is I we're relabeling any everything else so why not you know when I look at the stigmas and the hostilities around implants in my opinion it seems to come down to one thing and one thing only is this medically necess necessary or not you know I've never heard of anyone with type 1 diabetes who was using an insulin pump get harassed or looked at like they're somebody scary you know I've never seen anyone afraid for their safety if they they came into contact with somebody with a pacemaker I have never seen or heard of any religious group going after an

ampute te that's using some type of a smart prosthetic it just doesn't happen if the technology is medically necessary and prolongs the duration of life it's all acceptable but on the opposite side of that coin the choice to just enhance your own hate human capabilities is met with fear paranoia aggression and even sometimes violence I have had people you know personally I have experienced every single one of those things I just said paranoia fear aggression and violence I've had people turn off their electronic devices when I walk into the room I've been told that people are afraid of me just me even when they don't even have any type of electronic device on them you know they're afraid of me as an

individual I'm not the boogeyman and I'm not a robot like I said I'm just different the truth is that I can actually just interface with NFC and RFID that's all I can't just walk up to a device instantly gain access I can't walk up to any laptop and break encryption this is the real world this is not Hollywood my point is that all science fic everything is all science fiction until it becomes science fact you know remember that at one time lobotomies were considered the latest and greatest in medical advancements you know so what we're seeing today and what we see is the the just the peak of scientific and medical breakthrough is going to look the same

as a labotomy does 100 years from today so everything on this list that I'm about to show you is completely up todate and verifiable you know so some of the new technologies that you might be getting accustomed with very quickly we have wearable antennas these are actually added to the skin and the skin itself is used to actually enhance the receiving capability of the transmitter new implantable microchips are coming out all the time and with the advancements in graphine batteries internal power may be here a lot sooner than we think bring computer interfaces everybody's heard of Tesla neuralink anybody here ever heard of another company called synchron synchron is actually Tesla's biggest competitor and they're already

in human trials we have ocular implants for the blind anyone here ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Neil Harbison if you haven't check him out he was actually the one of the he's actually considered to be the world's very first cyborg he was blind he has a big antenna that was surgically implanted in his brain and the guy is an actual artist we have Optical probes now to actually assist with organ grafts you know there are spinal implants that are returning motility to paralyzed people a UCLA doctor implanted a spinal stimulator that is showing early promise and returning hand strength to a California man that severed his spinal cord during a motorcycle

accident you know in addition to the actual Simulator the doctors implant a small battery pack that's just about the size of the palm of your hand in the lower back connected to a controller and that's how the doctors will actually be able to interface with it you know nanotechnology this could be an entire speech all on its own you know the concepts of what these little robots can do this has the ability to look into everything from assistance with healing muscle enhancements AG limiters who knows it's it's crazy what about 3D printed organs you know right now there are so many people on donor Registries that we're actually able to use te- cells and stem cells and we can print viable

organs you know scientists actually were able to grow neurons in a lab that have actually been taught to play the game pong you know and and I know from a thousand foot view that may not see all that you know breathtaking but these did not start inside of a person they grew these in a in a bowl and they're learning where is that going to take us another 50 60 years from now you know new medical breakthroughs have actually allowed human skin cells to be grown over robotic appendages and the skin will even heal from Cuts as if it was connected to a normal human body you know in 201 21 cortical Labs actually grew neurons that were

incorporated into a new type of microprocessor the resulting hybrid chip works because both brains and neurons and semiconductors all work on the same principle of Electro electricity you know the speed of the chip is appro is exponentially faster than standard circuit types and these may be the types of chips that will be the key to allow breaking that Cubit limit that we've seen around Quantum Computing how about DNA as a storage medium one gram of DNA fluid can actually hold over seven pedabytes of data with a data retention of over a hundred years provided that you keep them in the correct climate you know this brings us to the point in the talk where we get to talk

about ethics for for a minute you know the question can we but should we there's so many different paths that we can take when we get into this point in the conversation I'm only going to pick a couple of three if you'd like I'm going to be around for the next day if come talk to me you know you know we're still dealing with the transhumanism in its infancy there's not a lot of long-term data for implants or people like me that want to be human guinea pigs to see how much Electronics we can shove in our bodies you know my personal fear you know as these these types of advancements continue to move forward

they're only going to be available to people that can afford them these are the types of things that I see potentially leading to new stigmas and new divisions within the populations you're going to have modded and non-modded you know there's always going to be that division of opinions when dealing with what is acceptable to do with one's own body it's my hope that we can keep up conversations and at least try and find someplace that we can meet mutually in the center to to try and just find some type of cohabitation so what does our future look like I guess that really all depends on you if you're an optimist or a pessimist you know the Future No Doubt

will hold incredible breakthroughs in science medicine and Technology but just as the initial PC Revolution changed the face of society this future needs to be set with the best practices that we can actually learn from our past you know with these bionic enhancements we're now seeing an expansion of the attack surfaces to potentially include people as the new attack Vector you know we've seen how ransomware can devastate companies and consumer devices what if we extrapolate that same threat to an individual itself what if the ransomware was targeting pacemakers or those controller the spinal controllers now we're dealing in a true Ransom situation you know every single one of these things that I've talked about the

brain computer interfaces the spinal implants these are full Integrated Systems that have firmware and more than likely they're going to need to be updated from time to time in the future you know I've personally shown how individuals with implants you know such as mine can become the attack Vector you know with multiple different attack methods based on my own personal Technologies you know if we look at some of the newer advancements I've already just discussed what about the ability for someone to walk out of a building with a copy of an entire data center saved in just a few grams of DNA fluid you know this isn't the days of old where you know I'd need a big hard

drive or if you looked at your your TR your transmission and receiving on your your internet access you're not going to see a bunch of data being xfill you know then we can look at the thousand foot view of the bionic enhanced individuals you know if somebody was had the ability to have a bionic eye that could zoom save images this could be a brand new form of Espionage that we haven't even come up with a name for yet just a couple of quick Trends you know these are predictions that are by 2025 there will be 75 billion with a B connected devices on the internet and if that's not scary enough by 2027 the estimation is that almost 85

to 90% of all Commerce will be done through online services it's 2022 that's 5 years the future's already here so I did want to take one moment to point out one very important point there is currently no way to detect augmented humans you know it just doesn't work Security Professionals would need multiple Spectrum analyzers every one of the commercial grade implants that are available on the market today get their power from the receiver they do not have internal power so in order to to detect me you would actually have to energize my chips and when we start looking at the fact that having multiple Spectrum analyzers at every entry point you know to the last speaker you know she was

right on right on the money you know how do you get into a building put a sign on the door you know it's not going to stop you know I do have one pretty interesting lead on the detection of this stuff though and I wanted to bring this to you guys and you're the first group that I've actually mentioned this to everybody here familiar with drug sniffing canines they use them for you guys got them over here too yeah you guys familiar with the uh have you heard that they now have technology sniffing dogs yes so for those of you that may not be aware of this they are now training dogs to hit on a very specific compound

called triphenol phosphine this is a chemical that is actually used in circuit board manufacturing hard drive creation and thumb drives unlike drug dogs where they're going to be using the dog to actually try and make the arrest these particular canines are are used post arrest in the evidence Discovery phase they're used a lot with pedophiles human trafficking anywhere where people would have data on a hard drive after they get arrested or whatnot search warrant comes out they'll run these dogs around the house to try and find hidden hard drives and things that they can then try and use well I live in Austin Texas and Dallas just got one of these dogs so I actually reached out to

the Dallas Police Department and after having to go back and forth five or six times to try and explain what a transhuman was they got on board so they are we're actually in the process of trying to set up a time for me to go to the Dallas Police Department and we're going to actually test Remy the technology sniffing dog against my eight different current microchip implants uh unfortunately I wasn't able to get that done by the time I got here to do this today uh but like I said follow me on LinkedIn this is definitely going to be the story will definitely continue and I would love to see where this ends because I think this is going

to be a point where either life imitates art or art imitates life I mean if you think back to the Terminator movies what was always wherever the humans were the dogs were always outside because they could detect the machines so as I said resistance is futile we're already there ultimately we are already part of the hive I mean look at our dependence on our mobile devices alone we're already here and we're actually trying to go further we're a society addicted to technology and just waiting for the next fix resistance is futile not because we're going to be taken over by some other race of cyborg humans we're going to give ourselves willingly to the technology we

will willingly submit to the technology that we have chosen to be our masters if we don't take the time to start looking at what's coming we definitely will not be ready when it gets here you know the lines with are blurred but they're still here for the moment as the technology continues to evolve the dependencies on that technology will also continue to evolve proportionately so I'm going to close out this talk the same way that I started it who it's not just me anymore now it's all of you too where everywhere everywhere you look look beyond what you see and see all of the different technology Stacks that are sitting behind it and H and how

you're just another piece in the Cog and when now I showed you a lot of really crazy futuristic stuff up here but the problem is it's not future there's going to be another talk tomorrow by the Kack guys and we're going to show you a little bit more about transhumanism and implants but this is the world that we're living in now and this is the world that we're giving to our children so I will close with this statement we as I said before we need to protect our individual identities as well as our ability to remain independent in your thoughts and your actions you know our individual identities will continue to be the Ultimate Prize especially as we move

forward and this is the the time where we are living where science fiction is becoming science fact so I like to throw my information up one last time just in case because I know usually when PE at least myself when I go listen to somebody talking when they first start talking I'm like I don't know if this guy's going to be any good or not so that's me I hope you enjoyed it thank you very much Sam thank you bides I've really appreciated the opportunity to come and talk to y'all and if you like me I'm going to be up here again tomorrow with the cas set [Applause] guys I suspect there's questions is there anyone brave enough

to ask [Laughter] [Music] that and again with it like set the age of going up hi Len that was very good thank you so the implants you doing them because of an upside do they create problems for you in day-to-day life uh to be honest I've had my first actual microchip problem happened and I'm eight of them in so I think I somebody that's good with Statistics can throw out a number there but uh I just recently had the wallet more credit card put in the the the front of my hand here uh I had a bioglass encapsulated Vivo key which is a crypt bionic chip it decided to migrate so it started up here and is currently sitting right

about there and the problem is is now I have two NFC chips that are sitting right next to each other and I'm getting double reads so that's the only real complication I've ever gotten uh I haven't had any type of health issues personally I do know of some people that were earlier on in the The biohacking Journey before we started actually getting places like dangerous things in casac where we actually had commercial grade implants you know back in the days when to bio encapsulate something you basically took whatever you wanted you slapped together some two-part epoxy you slathered it all over the thing and you H to hell that it actually sealed so you know I have seen

some things around that I've definitely seen some issues with some of the the Firefly implants but those are actually using active radioactive material so um yes I believe in shoving technology in my body but I also don't expect myself to be stupid about it so you know the one thing that I will say when it comes comes to the biohacking if this is something that you're interested in doing I I do have a respect for where it all started from you know the guys in their basements that are you know shoving chips in their body just to see what they could do but be smart you know you get a trained in professional to install it and buy commercial grade

stuff that actually comes from a place that where you can actually go back to if something goes wrong um one point to that last statement wallet Moore you know the one thing that I found really funny about the wallet Moore is anybody who signed up for this particular implant they referred to they refer to us as ambassadors because guinea pig just doesn't look good on a website but understand that nothing that you're going to do in the biohacking space is going to be approved by any type of medical governing body I can I speak to the United States cuz I don't know what y'all's you know agencies are called but nothing I'm doing is approved by what we

would call our Our Food and Drug Administration so you know understand that you know this is the infancy things are going to change you know but how do you one of the things that I said in in the first talk I gave was how do you prepare for attacks that you don't know exist so part of this talk was just to kind to throw out there this is the the kind of stuff that we're looking at and all of this stuff currently exists so how do you protect against it especially if you don't even know I mean realistically if seven pedabytes of data in in one gram I mean I could ex I could walk out

with your entire data center in the bottom of a fast food cup then you're terrifying in the best way have we got more questions everyone's terrified ohang I'm g go the back one sec the and I got a second question I got a repeater Mr Cooper yeah so curious particularly when you said I'm going to put a pi what was it Nano pi0 w0w I would imagine that an airport scanner thing goes up on that everybody wants the airport questions all right I'm going to actually demonstrate Len how do you walk through an airport okay everybody ready just like that left foot in front of the the right um here's where things get fun because of the fact that these are

actually implanted inside my body I'm going to talk about the US I I know that there is a a parallel law here in Britain nobody's allowed to asked me about my personal medical so for starters even if I did trigger for AOW me to digress we have two types of access through an airport you have a magnetometer and you have a full full body x-ray the magnetometer all of my implants combined do not have enough metallic weight in order to actually trigger a MAG a magnetometer Additionally the X-ray machines at the airports are set to be so General as to not trigger on your necklaces charms bracelets and any other thing that you may forget on

you I have been through obviously International because I'm here but I have been through multiple international airports a ton of domestics I have never even been detected now when I get the the pie in me that one I'm still waiting to see because if you think about it most of that is actually made out of silicon you have your headers which I'm going to be desoldering you have the uh the trace on the board but that's really the only metallic on it and I'm just going to reiterate the fact that if they did notice a some kind of weird bulge in my hand they're not allowed to ask because if they do it's goes against the medical laws so I've

been playing in a gray area twice okay the followup the followup so you mentioned um you know techno Haves and Have Nots with this those that can afford it and what have you that's my fear as we go into the future yeah and also a division um you know you you're from the US youve got a great deal of Freedom there's already schisms over there along various different very much so looking at this from a cultural perspective you've got parts of the world where even tattoos are frowned upon very much so so there's a potential Global Haves and Have Nots issue around this not even just locally yeah I mean I'm not saying it will I'm not saying it

won't I'm just looking at the current trends I mean if we look at some how a lot of services have moved to an app-based delivery method you know if I have some type of microchip implant that will allow me to be able to interface in such a way that's profitable to a company do you think that they wouldn't try so I I think you're right you know I I don't believe in I think everybody should get a fair Shake I always have it's just how I I'm wired you know but I think anything that we can do to try and get in front of a divisive type of thing even if it's just to open a discourse

and dialogue I think is still moving us in the right

direction thanks Len that was brilliant um I'm just thinking even since just the last time I saw you speak just looking at yourself your number of implants is increased it looks like the technolog is coming along quite rapidly especially when you start looking at things like Raspberry Pi's and bits of Technology like that mhm do you ever worry that the implants are going to become obsolete or have I just played too much DSX um do I worry that they're going to be obsolete no do I am I worried more that I'm going to something new is going to come out that I'm going to want more than I than the one that I already have

yeah that that's definitely a possibility but I have a very very high pain tolerance so the idea of just taking this one out and putting some the next one in it just doesn't bother me I mean the the wallet more credit card implant is just like any other credit card it expires every so many years so in order to maintain that technology you're going to have to replace that you know as it becomes necessary as well but one of the things that I question you know in my vision of the future is you know right now we have tattoo parlors we have body modification parlors are we going to actually just is the body modification parlor going to become a

real body modification parlor you know is it going to the World going to wind up being kind of like cyberpunk I don't know I mean I I think that if given the opportunity there's going to be some crazy people out there that would go you mean I can cut this arm off and I can get an arm that I could you know Crush steel with where do I sign up you know and if we just look at how that plays into people's jobs their the careers that you know could potentially be coming out I between Quantum Computing the Integrations with the human Dynamic I think we're sitting right on the cusp of a lot of major

breakthroughs over the course of the next 10 years I really really do my last question Kimberly do you have your hand up it sort of Carries On from what you just said where do you see the near future so what's next after your Raspberry Pi uh after the Raspberry Pi uh I'm honestly waiting to see what's going to happen with the graphine batteries you know they have now found there's been multiple new advancements in terms terms of being able to synthesize graphine one small graphine battery would run a Raspberry Pi for up to 10 years you know so we're back to the idea of then we can actually get fully Integrated Systems you know keep

in mind when I'm even with the peg leg that I'm talking about putting in my leg there's no battery in it the battery and the power comes from an external wireless charger the minute the wireless charger moves away from the receiver it's gone there's no way outside of medical grade implants to have internal power and those are still very very limited to what types of devices that they can actually use pacemakers internal stem uh there's there's there's only about 10 implants medical grade implants that even have internal power due to the exact issues that you were talking about you can't really charge them because the charging process generates heat and you don't want to generate heat inside the

body so once we get to the point where we can have a large enough uh battery cell to where it makes it feasible then I think we're going to start seeing a lot of these bigger crazier things right now we're we're stuck I think due to the limitations of the technology at this phase but I mean I'm willing to go out and stick a raspberry piie in my leg just so that I can actually pop a terminal on my cell phone and while I'm sitting here speaking at B sides I can actually be doing low energy Bluetooth sweeps and auto paes I mean it just makes sense to me I love it um I got a question for the

audience it's a bit of a hands up and you know if you're watching at home put your hand up we can't see you um maybe we can who here would be interested in becoming Borg you are Borg already I am Borg you are Borg I'm going to be Borg tomorrow 24 hours from Bor yeah welcome to the welcome to the collective but I'll be around this tomorrow if you guys have want to get philosophical if you want to talk about my implants whatever you want to do thank you guys very much for letting me come talk massive Round of Applause thank you Len