Keynote - Dan Cuthbert

we move to a place that was quite wall unfortunately we move to a place that was full of a thing called apartheid this is really weird if you come from Western too good a place book so I'm from apartheid where segregation was along we had fairly strict surveillance there was a new store called CNA and you would go in to look at magazines from abroad and these sensors would either take black marker and take pictures of black people because that was the bad things either paper or anything to do with since I was a very religious country the time so even if they mentioned like the word boob to cut back my magazine I was a young teenager at

the time when there was this thing called the internet that was popping up BBS and on BBS there were certain things that you could look at certain things so you took your telephone you collected got Osama Dollman that you plug into this device that had like two suction cups and you dial up to the internet and inevitably you went to a place where young teenage boys like to go and you started to download stuff all right head head head metrics shoulders Jesus shoulder shoulder shoulder

because our the moment dad would pick up the photo he assisted in the phone but the cool thing about that was it really got me excited into how we can start to play with information but now we're in the fourth Industrial Revolution we're in version 4 now what's cool about this is that it's all about service all right the official thing is that is the fourth Industrial Revolution represents a fundamental change the way we live work and relate to one another enabled by technology but we all know this is about the service right because the geeks have been hired to the earth all right we were once laughed at 1984 a really cool movie came up will you run

into the Nerds every saw it yeah who's laughing now good job we are incredibly powerful people you know if you look at the top business leaders in the world you know must know I don't know much in mob anyway he's okay but lots of people involved in tech are seriously impacting how we lived and I think that makes our industry incredibly exciting because Hollywood finally got right what it is to be a hacker every Nazi this is thank God what was cool about this is that they use finally consultants from within our community to actually depict fact a year and a half ago I worked with a movie producer and they'll give us and Sons do the movie on

Hackett the problem is hacking is that it's incredibly poor there is nothing visual my back has been in fashion and art photography for a long time you have to direct it and make it look sexy very how much I was gonna say exactly right but what mr. robot did was it gave normal people an insight into how easy it was hurt and control people I think this was really important because prior to that we still messed up this I mean I struggle with code most the time but I've never done a double-handed keyboard easily but finally our school nerds were finally seeing as hey do you look quite cool people know if you've gone home at Christmas I had your family

go you working computers can you fix so those getting into the industry I want you it will happen believe me Windows 10 updates your everyday life advice the cool thing is we have people like this his name is Michael Ramos he is the San Bernardino's District Attorney and he came up with the best quote I've ever seen in my life a lying dormant cyber pathogen now for those who are coming into the industry of doing report writing you get 100 points you can get that into a report right I tried though is that whether that's in the report [ __ ] not real we now saw the crossover between technology and moral daily lives and this case came about because the

terrorists had made a nasty event happen and they are forced to use an iPhone and at the time the iPhone was considered to be very very secure oh so much the moment especially TJ pesos but you know the phone is pretty good but we also then have the FBI doing something else below because now they have a dedicated page for fibers all right which if you understood and work with the FBI closely this was quite a significant change for them and it is mostly made up of Chinese and Russians there's a weird anti-russian thing in America at the moment I don't know why but in all fairness the Russians are pretty good at habit stuff right

Chinese also too but that goes into the massive pace of technologies that we see in a moment and my day job is keeping 140 million people safe or a fence ball back and we look at how technology is really changing how people back when the first ones was is they may remember that this the Internet is amazing we also had ones like those thank God that your awful story and death quantifier we were in the Alexis Park Wireless was really becoming as Jesus Wireless is becoming a really cool thing and it was okay to have other attendees so I thought would be really clever to do a replace of everybody browsing the internet all their images to replace

with a tough girl and loser I am so very sorry it was childish as hell it was funny at the time they don't Google those images Pisa what we've seen now in the last couple of years is an explosion of total of Geelong I've never seen in the last two days so they're all give or take 5.1 billion mobile users it's very hard to understand how many but there's a lot of people that the use of mobile phones now and we can't pay me is the story of how grow with really happens so for those who aren't heavily involved in the Chinese way of doing things we chat they meet up a Ally Pally pay are two very

very big hammers so in China if you wanna send payments you don't use your credit card or you know good for back you use WeChat pay you do wire we checked and it's a phenomenal ecosystem that grew really well the story of WeChat paid me is the best because prior to that and in pay was kid I didn't really send money outside of their ecosystem and we check came in and they decided we've never built a tech ecosystem that's going to grab a little users and then started to look at two ways of doing the first ones that we're going to use WeChat make it incredibly easy to send money and see money seamless and secure but secondly they

tapped into the reddit culture of China when we understand with the red packet cultures good so - so we're in Chinese media at the moment it has been counseled in fortune let me tell you finally to Heathrow that past 11:00 last night it's quite scary and unfortunate you see lots of people coming in from China like oh [ __ ] I am running but tradition this time of year is that your boss would give you a red packet with their little gift as a job saying all right dollars so it became a bit of an annoyance for the employer to have to go to an ATM to our cash front an envelope cut his time we can't do that

of stuff so we check sighs do was they were going to create digital bread act and they managed to do the code in three weeks from my dear to etc and that first news even 2014 16 million percent which is not bad going for an initial proof of concert version 111 months later in 2015 1 billion red packets were sent that is a phenomenal increase in banking financial and security type functions and it just shows how pace has really changed by heavily now it also took we check pay only six months to get to 130 odd million customers something that the rest of the world just can't seem just out and this is technology that we're

all building it's both so it is quite fascinating but sadly not very good and it's really hard because you know if somebody's worked an institute such a long time you know she cried turn 21 know when it came out it is 97 rates 98 I was working at the publish times there was no such thing as a penetration tester job though I was working as a security engineer building the first calm and we had to break stuff and the sequel I came up I thought you know this is fascinating there are products that you would do network level 10 balls I went into the head Oracle developer Paulus arcane we've got this cool new unbreakable

database to marry ancestor and cost a fortune and but I'm getting more any errors back just like the arms letters and I was like it's fine I'll filter the map you'll never see them there are some things that we still struggle with but what was interesting about this one is that the threats that we saw in the 90s in the early 2000s haven't really gone away and you know this week has been a phenomenal week for attacks so whilst technology is really growing we still suck at making stuff really bitter secure and big chunk of that has to come into how we apologize now as sad as it sounds oh this is Jade helm our

weapons are our keyboard for last seven eight years I've been quite heavily involved with the ciphers for our cousins across the pond mostly Cybercom and other entities hazardous object and for the first time in history you know what we need boots on the ground and we've started to see a lot of that classified information come out where people are able to take control of other countries by doing simple silent Chemex and sometimes the hacks are really good but for the best part the hacks are quite amateurish and I don't need to become because it's quite trivial to get access to a critical infrastructure it's quite trivial to gain access to say Democratic National Committee who don't

use to Ave or their Gmail account and you could use that reducing the alt announcer this hoser lived right so it makes total sense for governments to start looking at our industry so I'm looking at what we're doing and adopting them and that kind of drew home with me we're about 2004-2005 sorry Vegas I've been involved with blackout since 2002 prior to that and prior to you know 2005 when we started to see the feds there was the GameSpot Fed and it was very easy to spot a Fed write smacked generally cream boo shoes after the Vegas Sun with Moscow Malone golf shirts tucked in and very meager January at the time black cat and death

collar full of people very elitist none you've stuck out all right but the FBI and other agencies saw the need to gain people like us back into the fold because like we started to see how easy it was now fairly who's not been following the story it is a fascinating look into one how not to do forensics I think we just need to call it out there - if you're gonna send dick pics don't use your normal workflow with Saudi prince right I think he'd built to think of all the fire phone Jeff you should fire phone via Pharma new pants but for now we're starting to get people you've never understood how easy just

take controls of burn people via expert code now on the front pages and I think this is a good thing because this taps into a message that a lot of us inside the community and really wanted people to be loved for a long time we have no regulation and now that's what happens because this charming Italian gentleman he he's an interesting character he's decided that rather than go down the traditional method of keeping his opponent quiet he would have docked the use of technology just like we check pay and everybody else the problem was is that he used the company called the NSO brewery now episode group lots a very loves company fact I like them too one

of the cancers of Deseret because - our group does is sell misery and pain to the highest bidder now what a lot of people don't realize is that when Snowden leaks came out they thought that the intelligence community will fire by had a free relay to do whatever they wanted yes people in chanson didn't bother every bit of those bomb but for the best part there's a lot of checks and balances well parts they features apone everything these guys do and they're generally do go after countries and governments who have no moral fiber and unfortunately it started a trend of where these girls were not using technology to really stop to find people this year alone we heard in China

had built probably the biggest surveillance systems against the we Muslims there be business they were using technology like I've never seen they were using servers instead they were using machine learning they were using they are they were using Western technology and Western code found and github and proof of concepts that we vote you know conferences to seriously to track a part of the Chinese population that they did not like I had fast it was interesting because we never got a dose of this you know Chinese hackers whenever they would submit to our pact you would occasionally get some cool stuff but they weren't sharing country secrets because they weren't allowed the NSS security services will

ever let them do that so we never got inside what they were doing but the Internet's are really hard right because we all know securing stuff the internet sucks even if you the Ministry of State Security for China and if you put certain databases on the internet there are people out there who do find certain databases and to a degree it's really good because this was the sense net database that they left on the internet and and the amount of data it had on people was shop we'd never really seen this level of detail before and do you an idea six point seven million location points linked to people tagged with descriptions such as mosque Hotel

internet cafe and other places where surveillance cameras were likely to be found now this was scary because it showed what happens if you can throw another budget at something you could sort of really attractive elation but it doesn't stop there because AI and ml is all the rage all right and anybody who's done it before knows you need to train your models better then creating an app that allows you to do face swapping his MP does this did nobody used to do the app where they make your face look old nobody did that really no that was a lovely machine than the exercise but China just decided to do it so it was a most downloaded in the

Chinese episode school's out it wasn't available to anybody outside China okay and then like their own people what was interesting was this really discussed train loads and this take he was used for further surveillance of new homes so it's interesting because that then thought that'll never happen the West rights we're really really good about the stuff there Christopher why he came into our lives now and we're a part of that lovely experiment called breakfast or as I call it science on steroids and what Chris did was he thought you know I'm a technologist I don't like what's being done with technology I needed to become a whistleblower and he gave his assignments to how big and powerful

Cambridge analyst actually what and I urge you to watch one documentary called the great hat on lenders it is a fun normal piece of reported journalism because you start trying to stand to go Wow we will float like mad and they won't do anything that fancy because we were giving them the data right we would download in the air we were going on to Mark's Facebook we would lighting stuff we were feeding these massive machines of surveillance and all they had to do was just listen and bled so that started a downward spiral of me where I started to really think about what I was doing internet right about I ran a company called sad post says supposed to us

still is very heavily involved and the offensive world and you know we've trained Special Forces and lots of the entities and we do write and deliver a lot of tools now call it my et cool it in maturity we always have fear that the tools of release were potentially being used for that but we never had that proved up until 1833 anybody know a tt-33 charming bunch of people and it was only a bt 33 made use of a tool that we released called ruler now ruler was interesting because at in we're on assessment Etienne found floor he was like you know always go to that imposter syndrome when you find a bug like this

so you think this seems too easy to manipulate Microsoft Exchange to create malicious mail rules that deliver a payload and clean up afterwards and carry on and we try to report it to Microsoft and they just didn't wallow which was the start of a very frustrating journey and no fundable disclosure but it turns out that a bt 33 really like this method and indeed so did many other people and we did release the code we we then had one was [ __ ] moment because we started to see how this was being used and that wasn't the first time tried ex used our DD evil who to believe me his local thing when you finally figure out that

there's a piece of ugly malware's busy uses and they released and then one of my colleagues Glenn he wrote the tool and reader which was a reverse proxy type tool we all know internal network can you hug it out and that was used by another group black dragon so we now started to simply dump we were doing because what we're arming people in doing that stuff but no we giving improve the concept we're doing stupid stuff and then the fact by ok the fact that is kid yeah and what was interesting about Kim was that you know prior to Lazarus becoming a thing that we knew about we never really saw how well he would organise a state-sponsored

type financial hacking T you know feedback and every kind of assumed that it was easy to bring into a bank but the biggest problem at pen testers had when you break into a bank is what he do the money and there's the line between a pen tester and a criminal criminals know how to move money around the city politicians do too but that was always the difference and what Kim did was he weaponized pen testers to become very very big financial habits teams that basically if they don't do that they found it to be take off to a blue light nothing like the Friday report pressure than your mom and dad Business Alliance and but he was also very good at moving

the money around because he did one thing right how do you deal with North Korea as a bank if North Korea comes after us we can't pull them over place then alter we take it up to a step to government then it gets awkward because it become government policy and Kim's a bit of a firebrand he has a lot of weapons and he likes horses so you're generally not going to try and piss off the fat man on a horse right because it could be quite bad and that led to Lazarus rapid raping and pillaging a lot of boats estimate of the moment is about two billion he has thrown and two billionaires laundered through the world which is a phenomenal

thing but it's not really widely reported oh but what Kim did was he really started to look at how do I say Kim because we don't really know bar a couple of names who the people are they started to look at the computers could industry really food is Rusted all right so on the left is the softening of the american social system from bangladesh on the right was one that was used months after that for those unfamiliar with said assembly code what that shows is an evolution of how they were defeating durables they would do subtle changes to the code they're so subtle because they knew exactly how the threat intelligence world went now I've

been ranting against the threat intended as well for a very long time because I feel at the moment it's a race to the bottom and I apologized many threatened tell people in the room you can throw stuff for me later but we seem to have this passion a pleasurable moment where we want to say hey here's a new AVT boo these are the tools they have use this is where they failed here's the code here some samples here's how they nearly got away with it call me blunt and stupid we did that with normal kronos we might be in a bit of trouble so what we're doing is we've turned our entire industry into a human

virus total it's a bi submission so if you are an apt group and you want to check that your mallet works maybe just drop it but on their work we know you gonna get both you have free reverse-engineering but lots of people desperately get that and you're probably get done twelve hours we're all in these people to do better all right Lazarus really learns from the industry an unfair pairs of toe fella these are pretty impressive soaked in a photograph one of ours I would like to be the photographer took that Kiki met and messing his picture up alone but right what we learned from Lazarus was the attackers had a foothold on the company

for over seven months that's scary all right the malware was called days or sometimes hours before was deployed they were able to modify their tools and their framework really really quickly which shows that they were watching the waters and the attackers often use innocent-looking Decrypter 'he's right they understood the security products that we sell all right these arm up stupid lame practice these are really really good criminals only think that's where our industry kind of went a bit wrong because right they were like normal people all right if you look at what we do Monday morning we're going to a pen test or do some research we have lunch we go home these attackers were doing exactly

the same thing they weren't expecting it they were looking at doing stuff because their boss told them to do are they had quotas or what we've looked now but a lot of the Lazarus group is that a lot of the times they did have polishin quotas by Friday afternoon you need to have stolen two million dollars all right it makes a lot of difference to trying to find some sequel injection and application that's really secure right there is oh but nothing prepared me for happy list all right and this is a bt 41 china i'm tired of the names i'm really struggling at the moment but a bt 41 china looked at Lazarus little Delta

said hold my bid something I never thought they'd do they talk about this communist experience they took or what they've learned to the stealing stuff they thought you know what we're gonna help our country all right this is the c919 it's a great plane and as you can see it's made up of a modern part around the world right so when you make big planes today there isn't a single manufacturer right now China at the time and it still today has a program where it's basically China first alright so you want to invite the Chinese states they want their capabilities and they thought you know what right we need to build this prepped because the Chinese middle class

was growing air travel inside China was massive until the so virus came out and you get quarantined but they thought we have to build a plane and they went through and they went through all the the details of the crack there's a lot of companies there that we have to work with wait a minute we've got this really cool group of kids MSS and six one three nine eight and all these other places where we can have some fun so what China did was they decided to basically own a big chunk of the world's aviation industry and steal data now one of the things they have to do with building engine all right because without engine like does really

well so this is the tenth engine it's a commercial joint venture with a French company CFM international China went to the company signed the deal that he was happy things were looking good but then China said hello with it and say that accident be really good they said we're going to make our own so this did it it looks very simple I am NOT an aviation expert but it is pretty similar I need didn't to stop there there are multiple similarities I mentioned turbofan blaze basically it was an apple see Apple V the French were confused how did separate do not understand there he is saying this is the Chinese into the future behind the scenes China

got back to something the West forgot about for a very long time beautiful beautiful art of human we became obsessed with sing it and awesome we'd love signals we love technology but human beings are weakened easily to be minimalist all right and triumphs very good at this so what they did was they planted a lot of lossless simply was MSS Ministry of State Security you and they put all these various SSD actors in companies that had access to a lot of emotion we all hear about your SATA throat we all hear about potential effects well this was the expo all right these were people that were sleepers for many many years we're not talking three months we're

talking six seven years they had relationships that haven't flying any alerts but they were carefully slowly exfiltrating data about the SEMA and I mentioned in the leap engine because it was part of the deal and it was a great wakening for me because a lot of these people miss they aren't hackus there's a small soldiers but the beginning of information from someone they will learn it from us that were watching us and if you've ever been to any of the large conferences now around the world you will generally see a mixture of people like us and those who were going organizations because that's how fleshes love spread and that leads me into the air service empty him not

heard of any sober I can quite a few there a charming bunch of Israelis like I said we love to peddle misery so the high price and they built a system called Pegasus and basically if you can imagine writing a commercial malware see to delivery framework that would be it what we saw with hacking team when they're owned is that they didn't do anything very special they used Adobe AIR to make it very operator friendly because anybody who's done this kind of campaign with c2s knows it's finished all right stuff never works in technology and if you're paying fifteen million which is how it depends is pretty much the cost per three-year deal needs to work so they

built it round and the data you know acquisition was very simple all right Jeff knows this really well if you think's for targets January you can have access to all the fun stuff and they do soon clued the use of owning at the time when Natalie from projects is very little for the what's that call that bug was being sold for fifteen million dollars that was the OCE that broke the trusted environment in the iPhone that was a fifteen million dollar bubble and that's what they were using right can access to our target and put out but that's always day one all right because the people buying this technology aren't interesting the target to say they're

interested in what's that talking give there was a case in Mexico that might spend a fair amount of time in Latin America and this is where we saw this kind of work in 2016 Mexico saw sight and thought you know sugar is really bad ironic that it's the home of El Chapo who has another white product that gets exported out of Mexico it was bad right right you so and they have a lot of people around it's a sugar tax well it turns out the sugar industry didn't really like that so the sugar industry approached a company who could help them that company was there so and they started to do a whole lot of social

engineering campaigns against the activists to neutral you sure this is one of the text that was sent it was sent to one of the people involved they managed through a great amount of Awesome to the person and it basically said your daughter was just in an accident she's in grave condition you can come in here is where she as hot as possible plus now a lot of you think our idiot why don't you take on that stuff I can tell you as a father you click on lunch it they get you in a stressful moment you know God is down you will click on it because it's your family and these campaigns are very good

at Jeff Bezos you know a very rich and powerful man you think he has the technology the mindset the training the OPSEC stuff to not do it he still clicked on something alright so a lot of the times this works really well and then gave them access to everything they needed so we've now weaponize an industry where we're teaching people how to do social engineering and target people as old so how do they get there right like I said so this hasn't always been the way I am right at the start of the turn of the century like when the hacking is useful when truly new we were shipping a lot of exploits out all right

it's not just him that proud about anymore but we would find bugs and stuff and we would use the exploit for a while break into a lot of stuff and then we share it very extrude in the UK we had a crew and overlaying the name where we work quite closely with the thieves teach the admx enter and at the time I was working at Pierce island I was student because their web hosting was really expensive right and I started a project of anyone called smooth wall and we were building stuff up and I found of all over the scene SSH and I needed to put it somewhere so I borrowed a sunny fifty in psi on its data center

and then that might be this there was you know 1320 server I thought it me just put the patch of there all right at the same time I was also having an exploit for that sharing with friends all right cuz that's what we did they it was just the 90s on there mm we did and it was really stupid that was the community to the club but they don't change we're in friends of ours called gobbles came across this bug anybody remember this bug me this was the the water mop the spent all chance CV 2002 3s 9 was an Apache 1.3 it was the chunked encoding which is why your joy was terrible but basically it was

interesting because at the time there was this amazing threat intelligence company called Internet security systems Chris Klaus as their expert said it was not explorative Allah all right we have the best in the world it can't be exploited yeah gobbles came in and wrote to next point and that was pulled up Apache nose job and that worm and that exploit caused a lot I may have on there to that because it literally cause crack everywhere bread because people need sugar going when is not exploitable so I'm not gonna patch it I'll do a patch in six months a bit like this recent Citrix one Henry him manage Citrix I'm so sorry don't ever look at the Citrix going most

whatever you do is it's literally a Hamas from 1990s PHP you know companies didn't past because these experts are saying it's not exploitable well it was exploitable and then you know every couple years we have a massive chat normally IRC we roof live see something else friend zero or you know Fox everyone and she finally had enough and she's an amazingly talented woman like I am very glad I'm not starting a ministry now because you're always more clever than I will ever be and Maria is one of them but she said responsibly disclosed bugs published with a proof of concept of doing more harm than good since they've been weaponized and used by tacit she

was destroyed for this truth mostly by the tech bro community mostly my people who've never written a next book before mostly my people never actually broken into anything they're like I gotta have my proof of concept because that's how the internet worked we've been having this argument very very long time actually we would have this argument since 1999 when unit a the normally great group published the manifesto of Project Mayhem every here ever heard of Project Mayhem Project Mayhem was was kind of needed at the time because it was lots of experts those people get very into and it was really to be simple right it was stop publishing your [ __ ] on the

internet with exploits because it's really bad with people learning from it it was it was important they went where they cut hacked theater art dog songs now zillion there lots of people but this one if impacted me really closely because I ran in hack kozo hack poser we say it was one of those first export art I was up there where if you had an exploit we built a little little knock homepage we downloaded an expert and it was really interesting because hacked up poser and everyone its opponent owned a clock because you know if you gonna own the Xbox Live go boy didn't have a lot of owner at the time generally hackers are really bad business people because

we used to give away own a free now you move fortune and it got to the point where it's so bad at one point we got these new tear boxes in the datacenter cobalt rag three and it was running a MIPS processor so we thought no shell cozier on that some bastard managed to admit oh that box as well but it was interesting because we were targeted like we're not doing thing wrong which is shipping code it's it's meant to help the defenders right [ __ ] right and anybody who seriously believes that O'Dea and proof of concepts health defenders - never really defended against a lot of attacks with us so this was a site by the way it wasn't

bad with the baggage it worked but it started a wave of people getting very very angry against lots of people pushing up its information I said we've been having song whatever a right on time and it's when you don't know what something has to change so my whole point of this keynote is kind of don't stop right you probably didn't do amazing stuff just remember there's lots of people watching what we do we have still been watched in lights they watch out github repos they really start to understand what we're doing back and this kind of hit home when I started to look at how have some of the things that I've been involved in made

malicious sense first have a thing called ponies Friday and we also had 20% research time what that means is you give people who are crazy talented have an itch and like tearing stuff apart generally you're gonna have a lot of stuff that goes in the internal blog Quentin was one of them chris is a great guy so I would give her food he was like how do I easy backdoor Android applications that Google learn about it I'm gonna call it quits on he did yeah got nailed everywhere that was a bad thing luckily we've got something to track where they've been used but a lot of people using technique and you then had the most loopy think Snoopy was

an amazing episode for me because it was a time when we were looking at how Mobile's to be kind of changed and tracked and we didn't expect people to do that stuff they they they generally did do bad stuff without code so much so in the bins where we were working were turned into passive surveillance devices using the stupid technology and about a year and a half ago I heard that people in Palestine being tracked using certain features it's really not a convenient because it was never meant to be like that but right good things came out of this the anti security policy it's a very old policy other things maybe time we stopped me visiting this policy and the

policy is quite simple right right a lot of people are going to disagree with this and I like this we should have cost a discussion don't tell the world about security but you fight because a lot of times people are gonna perhaps them if the expert needs to learn to either vendor you know this is an old policy but this still a lot of truth in what it's saying because you know if you look at the the post secure or the VPN balls they're still being exploited now we stood on patched a lot of these bugs all right and people are being taken their farm center so something has to cover and did you even have really really

intelligent people rights who are opposed to this so Maddie is part of p0 good friend and I also breed with hid right she also kind of thinks that providing proof of concept as defenders wall detectors and I'd love to hear from my buddy here who's in a defensive role mode do you want to see feel that proof of concept code pushed up to get up helps you do your job better dispatching his heart all right one simply just doesn't catch like that I asked Equifax but so start wrapping up we're also getting back to some very very cool pass there is they talk on this this is Phineas Fisher I really like finish or Phineas's whoever they are and

last month or two months ago they decide of a hundred Cade bounty to hack companies doing that date it's very bad don't had come music beauty but it's quite cool to see that the hacker spirit is still at bay and then I've sold false are starting to look at you the new generation to say we can't wait to see you don't do I really good friends dinner or Carlo which was the start of all the wires hacking stuff in 2004 six although that no we we can't wait to see what people now do based on what we try to do and on that note today there are a lot of cool people here there's a lots of speakers doing amazing

they are talking about the itch their scraps the stuff they spend you know months ten three years doing we've got amazing workshops I've left any night Steve because he is a machine he's not a human or a workshop he's just a machine so he's on his own there but I'm really looking forward and I think it's an honor to be here and I'm so I say to everybody we all need to be more hack a man and throw this his job gender it just it was the Swedes there have been different I couldn't change the font but I'm thank you very much [Music] [Applause]