Hablemos de EKoKids en BSides Colombia 2025

Good afternoon everyone, thank you for joining us today in a new live, in a new podcast on this journey for B-Sides Colombia 2025. Today we have a new guest and a new surprise. for B-Site 2025, something we've never had before in our event, and Sol will come and join us and share with us this special space for the youngest, for those little hackers that we want to be in the future. Sol, welcome, thank you very much for being here and thank you very much for taking my word for it, for joining me and ending on this topic that we are going to launch today here for B-Sides Colombia 2025. Oh, thank you, what an emotion. Thank you, Gio, for this

call. I love this opportunity you give me to continue helping, to continue accompanying families, the youngest in this world, which is fascinating, and also this of accompanying them to walk through life, right? And cybersecurity, security, technology, has so much to do with and teaches us so much in life, in all aspects of life, because the criteria and the things we need, the skills as adults, we have to learn them from a young age. That's right. Well, let's start then, Sol, by telling those people who are accompanying us, those who will accompany us later, First, I want to tell you something. Nobody knew, we didn't tell you much. We had the space, you know it has been a space of construction, to see how we are going to

do it, how we are going to achieve it. Right now, officially, we are launching it, although we had it in programming for a long time. And that surprise, and what we want to tell you, who are watching us, whether you are live or not, is that we are going to have the Eco Kids space in B-Sides Colombia 2025. We will do it on Saturday and we will be aware of those little hackers that we want to be there. So, Sol, the first question. I know Eco Kids, I have a context of what the story of Eco Kids is, but there may be many people who are watching us, who will say, "What is Eco Kids?

Why Eco Kids? What is Eco Kids?" And you can tell us a little bit about the story behind everything that the space has and be able to start telling people what they can expect from this new space in B-Sides. Well, first I would like to tell you a little bit about what I do, that goes hand in hand with how EcoKid develops, right? What does EcoKid encourage? I am a graduate in Family Orientation and I accompany families in everything that has to do with relationships, in parenting, in couples, and I focus a lot on childhood and I am fascinated by adolescence, accompanying adolescents and families. Well, in this process, just to accompany the children in the

consultancy, sometimes I perceived this disconnection that exists in what the child wants and what the family expects. Generally, parents have that look of that ideal child. and at the same time we add that we want our child not to suffer, we want our child to be a good person, we are continuously marking the error of our children. Few times, generally, does it happen that We can have a more compassionate look, saying "he only has 8, he only has 6, he only has 15, he only has 18" and we do not allow him to make a mistake. We are continuously correcting them with this desire that we have that they suffer from us. What happens with

that? Generally the process that happens is that neither we can see what our children like, where they feel good, where they feel safe, and they don't achieve it either, because they are continuously waiting for the adult to correct themselves. In this process, precisely in an episode, in a follow-up for the adolescent to start college, The girl wanted to be a journalist, a show journalist. And in the Oscar show, she was wearing all her clothes, she had a set of recording, her whole room, and she lived it like that from a very young age. And even her mother, when she came to accompany her in the process, she wanted her mother to be an artist, to paint paintings. The girl was very good at painting,

but what the girl had, with only 17 years old, was the certainty that although she liked that, it was the place that relaxed her. So that's where I started to see, hey, why don't we accompany the families, the boys, to discover what they like. And well, that's how Coquit came about. related to technology, there are skills that serve for life. This self-knowledge. It is very important that we develop in our children the ability of self-knowledge. Why? Because this happens, the children learn what makes them good, what makes them bad, what they like. And in technology, this is also very important, because a boy who develops self-knowledge has to do with can detect that he does not feel comfortable

or that he is generating anxiety in a WhatsApp group, or can discover that programming flows, flows, flows and it is something he likes. So, from there is the CoQuit, from that perspective. Another of the skills that I am very interested in developing is lateral thinking. So, all this thinking outside the box, how can they solve, what is it for life? And it works, and how do we teach it? Better than from technology. A group of boys can get together and they can't draw a level of a game and change the strategy. Among all, they start to think and change the strategy and achieve what they want. Well, you cut me, you tell me, cut me. I love that because

I love the idea, because look, something that can happen and something that I was thinking here listening to you was the subject of I don't know, there could be that issue of "I also want my son to be a hacker because I'm a hacker" or "because I think in this profession he can earn a lot of money" it could be the motivation of some of the people who are watching us to say "hey, I enroll my child in this space precisely because I want him to be like me" that can happen in many situations so look, I also think the way you are showing and re-signifying from some perspective, so I think that's going to

be very interesting, that's why I wanted you to complete that idea because I'm fascinated not to see it from that, hey, I throw that, I don't know, that shadow of mine, that something that I want you to be, but on the contrary, that goes from that learning perspective, from technology and from the that side thought that I have repeated a lot, so it seems super cute to me and it goes very much to that topic and also the question was, well, now those dads who are around here saying, "Ah, it didn't help me to become a hacker since I was a kid." What could you tell them and how can we also put it like

that so that we can see it from our own perspective? No, yes, that it actually brings them to play, that it actually brings them to play, because First and foremost, I think we have to accept our children with everything they are, with what they are not and will never be. Calm our expectations. Because among the expectations we have, this thing of wanting to take care of them, that they are, I repeat, that they are a good person, that they are honest, that they do not suffer. We don't want our children to suffer, but we are doing all the parenting, crushing, crushing, crushing. Let's give them opportunities so that they are, so that they discover themselves and we discover what skills they have, what does

good for them. Because, for example, something fantastic and very nice is generated, very nice to see when parents accompany this event, the boys. Two things that I love. One is that the boy is not being looked at or judged by his father. So the boy flows. And then when he manages to program, when he manages to assemble the robot, when he manages to understand the instructions, when he works as a team, The happy face looking for the father for that recognition is fantastic, it's great. And then what happens is the father. The father, when he sees, is amazed at what he could solve. Wow! We don't have that time, the parents don't give us that time. I also understand that

this also happens with the times we live in. We were just talking, I had a crazy day, yes, I have my head, my brain, today, it's like a club box, you know, when you go and leave the boots, I don't know, they're all next to each other. Well, that's how my head is today, if you look at the topics I have going around, well, that's what takes us to us, I have already grown up boys, grown up teenagers, the youngest is 17, but When they are young, we are so focused on our daily lives that we live in a hurry. And the interactions we have with our children are very few. an intense interaction where we are going down, where the boy we tell him to stay

still and he doesn't need to stay still, behave well, it's a... that "be well" is a... it's very broad, the boy needs something more concrete. Well, I could talk three million times about this, I love this, but... Well, this is a bit of an eco-kid, right? Accompanying parents to... to enjoy that hour, those three hours that we are going to offer you with so much generosity from you, this of discovering them, letting them be, letting them flow, letting them discover them. And this is going to happen, the boy is going to be amazed, he is going to be proud that his father sees him, that he achieved things. This is very useful for the boy's self-esteem because, because Not having

that look that generates so much pressure on the children, the boy can flow and say, "Hey, I did it." And also this, right? The pleasure of the father. Sometimes, many times we see this, the truth is that I didn't imagine that I was going to solve it. In the consultancy it happens, he answered me in a way I didn't imagine it was going to happen. So if we relaxed more, if we accompanied each other, but the essential thing is to accompany with this loving gaze, to say, "He's only eight years old." So, you don't realize it, I mean, just by itself, and not, "I should already know it, I should already know it, it's already big." I

always say that one of the words we should use when we educate our children is the word "big," because that word is too big for a child. Because they are not big. My 19-year-old daughter, one of them, had to choose to enter the university between psychology and robotics engineering. Look at you, both careers. So I tell her, choose whatever you want. I tell her, in total it's four years. If you realize that it's not one of the two. Before, it doesn't matter, you learned a lot. You learned a lot. We are used and educated that it is the career for life, that if you change careers you lose time. "Oh, I lost time." What do you mean you lost

time? Love. You say that because in general I don't know, I mean, very cultural here, it's like that, you just lost time, you made me lose money, look, you're getting old, I don't know when you go out to work, besides, you know, look, it's something that happens, for example, bringing it very much to the issue of security right now, something that happens in the market is that they want that they are super young, that they have all the knowledge, that they have all the certifications, then it becomes crazy. And that pressure that we see in our adult environment, we throw it at them, right? Because of course, what are you waiting for? You're making me

think about a lot of things. What are you waiting for? Oh no, then at least seven of you have to learn a language. so that later I have to learn the other one and that I don't know and that I'm super busy, I'll tell you because I see it a lot at the general level. And also you have to know a sport, so it's better to be a high performance athlete and not focus on everything, but focus on one and be the best and take it to training. That happens a lot here in Colombia. I take training on Saturday at 6 in the morning. You have to be up playing football with the others to

be a good footballer and of course, It is much of our expectations thrown at them that generate a lot of things that are not the best. And from there, I love what you are telling us because the space is not going to be just a space as one might think that EcoKids is only for children, but it is EcoKids also that moment for parents and hopefully those who are listening to it and those who are accompanying us, those who are going to listen to it later, can see it from that perspective and those who are going to take their children do not see it only as "hey, I take the child and look, go back

to a little hacker and learn to hack quickly so that, I don't know, what you say, within that expectation, do it fast, but on the contrary, that moment of connecting, of understanding the child from another perspective, of being able to see him solving this that you are telling us, and I think that it means a lot more the space, not only what it could be, or what many could be thinking about that space of Coquits. And apart, well, I want to bring this, this week I attended a family in Canada, And I talk to the 15-year-old teenager who also uses me as an intermediary because sometimes they don't dare to tell their parents. So I ask him, "What makes you feel good? Do you like

sports? What would you do differently?" And I don't want to do so much. The boy trains. Saturday and Sunday, swimming at 6 in the morning, which I wanted to kill myself, I say 6 in the morning, Saturday, Sunday, I wanted to rest. When I make that channel, that connection with my mom, I give her the feedback and she felt guilty, yes, the boy had put it in Scout, swimming instructor, a life-saving course, and aviation. Apart from that, she goes to school for 8 or 6 hours, she leaves at 7:20, goes to school and arrives at 3 in the afternoon. When does she have time? Saturday and Sunday. She has no time to do anything. Nothing. And the mom with the best intentions. I

mean, the truth is that she is not a bad mom, she is a divine one, but with the best intentions, she gives them tools to But we all make those mistakes, with the ambition to give the best and give those tools for life. I think with that you say I don't know I don't know I don't have any in mind right now that I've done it but I do know I don't know to see when a space of kids then come on we are going to teach them scratch little children so that they start programming and if you understand me it is like very focused on that and I know More comments from friends in

the security area, that is like, no, but learn to program at once, but if you want a computer, then it has to be a Linux to start taking advantage and things like that that we say, and it is precisely that projection, then again, there is like that it means a lot of EcoKids from another perspective, not that perspective that or more than one can have to say, "No, I'm taking him and he's going to become our mega hacker." But it's so beautiful that you're telling us and that it's also a very nice reflection of paternity. I say it obviously with that possibility of being a father, of having my 9-year-old son, that I already understand

the scenario completely and that not everyone will understand it, those who are not parents will not understand exactly the whole story, but I love it, I love it. What is going to happen to the kids in the space? Tell us a little bit about what we can expect. Well, actually there are three proposals, the three are playful proposals. In one they are going to telegram, they are going to program sequentially. This also means that tomorrow they can program their own games. There is another proposal that is very fun, that there will be a robot championship and there they learn everything that is teamwork, because for example they have to see if the batteries have enough load, synchronization, Well, that's very funny.

And finally, there's another programming class, sorry, robotics, where they have to give life to a little robot. So it's going to be very entertaining with the kids. Also what I wanted to say, to tell their parents and the people who attend, because this also has to do with educators, because educators, whether they are teachers or they can take a student, they also have to have the same look as an educator, this thing of demanding, but of accompanying. I immediately detect it by the dynamics of the boys and they will always take, generally, a tip from the father, a tip to rethink it, to rethink the way of looking at the child and you realize the child. Well, it's

fantastic, I love it. It's beautiful, right? I also find it spectacular, like everything you're telling us. What do one of those parents and two of those children have to prepare to be able to attend and take the most advantage of this space that we are opening? Well, first of all, now we are going to share the registration link. There is capacity only for 30 children. children and girls, from 7 to 13 years old, 7, 8, generally from 8 to 12, but it is also accessible for a little younger or 13 years old. In one of the workshops, you can go with a tablet, where they do all the sequential programming, or a tablet or a computer, a notebook, yes? You can make it from your cell phone, but

it's more complex because the screen is smaller. And the rest, nothing, you want to learn, have fun, put yourself to the test, play, see how the boys do, how the boys enjoy that space. That's great. Well, there we already have the link, so that you are very aware, the parents to enroll their children. We only have 30 groups, so it is very important that those who want to attend, please give us that information so that we can have it ready, so that we can have everything ready for the little ones who want to attend this new space in Visites. What else should parents have to take into account? Is there any need for some prior

preparation, any additional thing that we should take into account beyond that disposition of taking them, accompanying them, and understanding them from another perspective? I think that would be the most important thing in this live. Not understanding it as it will take me to become the next hacker and hold me back, but what you were saying. First, go without expectations. First, arrive punctual. Go without expectations. Let yourself be surprised. Go without expectations, because maybe the kid, I mean, It depends on the situation, maybe the boy doesn't like it, it's not for technology, not everyone likes technology and accept it. And well, and also take advantage of the fact that I'm there if they want to make inquiries,

if they want to talk, if they want... I will be 100% available to answer any questions they may have about the child. Another important thing regarding the event, the boys can't stay alone, they always have to be with an adult, they don't go to the event, they leave it and go somewhere else, no. The boy or the minor will always have to be with an adult to their care, yes. I don't know, did you mean that or something else? Yes, yes, yes, no, what else, what is to tell all those people because we have never had the space, so it's like asking exactly how we haven't had that opportunity to open that space here, I

want to ask you like all the things that I think are questions that parents can have out there, just like those who are watching us live, if they have any questions at any time, the chat is available, they can ask us what they want, before they get ready, if not, they can write to us on social networks, we will be aware of answering any questions that ECOKIDS has. Something very important, Sol said right now, that what we have done and also is to thank the sponsors, because without sponsors it would be impossible to open these types of spaces and in reality our sponsors are the ones who allow us or give us those resources so that just an open event, free,

can have the possibility of opening these spaces. So thanks to our sponsors who can see them there on our social networks, I don't want to forget any of them, so that's why I don't get to compromise right now to leave some out there, but Thank you to those sponsors and Sol, thank you too for having that disposition to be here. You were going to say something. Yes, I wanted to tell you that I will be there the days before the event, if they want to talk to me, because maybe they will come to the event, they can locate me there or contact me through your networks. I will be there taking turns, so if they

want to contact me the days before to talk, welcome. Perfect, how good that is, because it is also like that opportunity to be able to talk about the whole topic. At the level of training, for example, taking advantage of the space here, seeing, for example, a child who has a focus on technology, and we from that desire that we can have as parents to train them, to take them to that which we are passionate about, what would be a recommendation for those parents who see that inclination in the technological of children? Because look, for me it is difficult, because sometimes it is like, how do I separate them from a screen? I want it to

go outside, I don't know what, but there can be children who are in there and who are fascinated by it. And we, as parents, what tools or what should we, how can we give them an adequate guide to somehow show them our passion and that they can take advantage of it on their way, that is, without forcing them, without taking them to anything. I think that would be something nice that could stay with us here in this podcast. Yes, the truth is that the question you ask is extremely interesting, but this is not like playing a guitar. You say, "Oh, the more he plays, the more beautiful he is, and he spends his time flying."

It would be great. What happens is that here, depending on the age, he is interacting with a screen, that this has an impact, from the neurological point of view, it impacts the children. So there we would be talking about another topic, right? About controlled time, care, it's not the same, "Oh, look how good he is, he stayed six hours programming and well, what age is he?" It was Saturday, well, you get up very early there, but I don't know, it was Saturday, four hours of programming. What age is he? Ten years old? For us, the screens, the parents, there is a duality. On the one hand, it is "simple" or comfortable, rather, to educate, let's

say, because it doesn't bother us and we can do what we want the most. Maybe we can continue with the computer, or doing anything else. But it is also very difficult. Being a teenager, being a child and being a father of a teenager in this era with so much technology is very difficult because they are bombarded, they are full of stimuli. Society, even adults, are full of stimuli. Our brain burns because as an adult you go... The other day I went, I don't drink those soda, but I went to the shopping mall and in those fast foods you had to choose It was a moment of... you eat a french fry, cheddar, I don't know, we

already have three million stimuli in the visual, in the sensory, in the taste. That question you ask me, and you have to see it case by case, if you are 18, 19 years old, it is dangerous, it also depends, but hey, it is not advisable that you spend so much time with technology, no matter how passionate you are, right? That would have to be seen case by case to help you accompany them with some strategy. And look, what... No, no, yes. No, well, a few months ago, the American Pediatrics Association and the Spanish one already prohibit screens from 12 years old. Ok, because look what I was going to tell you, well, of course, it is already the time of my experience that many or some of

those of us who are in an organization in Visites are more or less of similar age, but that was us, I don't know, 15, 16, being able to finally have access to a computer and from there start your Angomar to get into it all the time and that was what built in some way what later became our profession, right? but without any guide, with parents who did not come from a technological part, who also had all that topic, because they did not even know what we were doing, it was like, "Oh, I bought this for him because, I don't know, they started talking about the internet or at school they asked him, or I don't

know, a lot of things that could happen, and they are too different moments, but of course, I think I don't know if someone is out there in the chat, but it happened to me, they were hours and hours and hours and hours learning, consuming a lot of things, what one could of content at that time, which was not as broad as it is now and it didn't stimulate you to do anything else. That's exactly what I wanted to say. Besides, look, in my time, I'm going to tell you my age, 55 years old, in my time I played Pac-Man, I didn't have the Tetris and the Pac-Man. The Pac-Man had the Commodore 64 and the

one that had the 128 was... that's what I didn't have access to. It was different, and also, well, it was different, it was different. I already tell you, it's an era to educate and to grow complex where we have to be attentive to that, right? And be aware of that. So it's good to say... But well, it's difficult. And that invitation is also nice, in the space we will have the possibility to do that different form of education. So don't wait for that space where you will simply have that interaction with technology, but you will also have that opportunity to educate your children. That is, that will be part of the space we are looking for. Yes, because the important thing about this is that they

are going to work as a team in each of the workshops. They are not alone with the computer. They are going to interact with the other, they are going to ask, they are going to think, they have to generate a critical spirit that is useful for life. So making decisions, seeing what is true, what is false, the critical spirit is very important to, for example, detect what is true or what is not true on the internet, for example. in famous TikTok, so that's what they're going to have, these proposals are different, they are very playful, many interact with each other, they are not immersed inside a screen. How cool is that, that is, it is a

totally different proposal, so you already know those parents who want to open, that is, who want to take the children, you already know what this space is going to be, you already know what you can expect from this space within Visites Colombia 2025, you already know that we are going to have a space, it will be on Saturday, On Saturday, 14th, in the morning, from 10 to 13 hours. Okay, so from 10 in the morning to 1 in the afternoon, we will be there so that they don't have to have a super early morning, or have a difficult time, so that the children arrive calm and we will have many surprises. It is a space that excites us a lot, you can't imagine from

the beginning the whole organizing committee, since I told you, and there is this possibility, I think everyone said, hey, how good, how good that we can open this space, so there we already have this space open so that you can take advantage of it, the subscription link is already there, but there it is not saying Luis who started with Logo, which was what I was telling you, there we also have more and... -And here Gustavo asks if there is... -A part of the teams. Something of prior knowledge. No, nothing, no prior knowledge. Wants to come and play and have fun. That's what children have. Playing is something we should never lose. Look, besides, playing is what generates

you a smile, relax, it generates well-being. If you throw a ball in a line, I don't know what they call it there, in a line of a bank where there are retirees charging the pension, they will all start to make that ball not fall and they will all start to try to play. So playing is not lost and we don't have to stop losing that. -Play, play, play. -Super, very true. And also to share it with our children, which was something else you were saying, that in the midst of so many things, in the midst of so many problems and so much occupation... -So much occupation. -Yes, yes, yes. Well, then, the invitation once, Sol, first of all, thank you. Those who don't know, Sol is

in Spain, it's midnight, she's here It's very available to be with us. First of all, thank you very much for being here. Thank you again for all the information so that we can have this space with children in Visabates Colombia. Additionally, once again, the invitation for everyone. Don't miss it. If you want to take your children to play, to enjoy, to see from another perspective all our technology, and we will be able to be accompanied by you in the event. We already have the space. Sol, anything you want to say at the end, as a final invitation for all the people who are watching us and who are going to see us. Well, first of all, I want to thank you, I want

to thank Sandra's warmth, she is a divine, she is behind every detail, she is worried about the children, that there is nothing missing, that this is a total divine. And well, wait for the families to come, it will be a very nice space, a very beautiful space, of communion, of seeing the children from another place, of accompanying and well, we are waiting for you all, we are all very anxious, with the desire to go and that everything happens, that everything happens. That's right, so we are waiting for you all, families, the children, all these people who are within our community, we want to see you there. Sol, thank you very much, see you in Medellín.

Thank you. Well, thanks to all of you who joined us today and we are in touch. Remember, here is the link. We will be sending you more information later to those who are joining the registration and well, we are waiting for you in Visites Colombia 2025. Bye! Bye everyone!