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[Music] so that way it won't be biased against your feedback it doesn't do what I do teaching basically the spot experiential learning so first of all let me ask you guys so uh you guys come here so what would you guys want to know about this presentation what are you guys want to get out of this you read the abstract what does that mean

anyone else sniper second profession do we have a profession what does that profession mean what are we doing actually you know this is a very bright topic for the janitors of ID that is all right maintenance yeah okay um anyway let's just start with a little background so um it's almost like it's about 17 18 years ago right uh security is very important to me and we're trying to I'm trying to have I want you guys want something security to be recognize like other professions like accountants doctors and stuff yes or no yeah yeah so what do you think it takes to uh to become one of one of them like to get the same level

I'm saying recognition what does it take

rather important anyone else okay let me ask you why are they less related you see they have an egg right there's a law that let them regulate right yeah practice why why them essential Services the essential Services right okay good so that's part of this is uh so I try to okay security I don't want it to uh it makes no sense if um you know you guys completely a router at home for your Wi-Fi right everyone does that right do we need to regulate that no doesn't make any sense right but we need to regulate things like the previous presenter like those critical infrastructure or essential Services stuff right so initially like last year I

presented on information security I was thinking about that that based on my experience I think maybe we should expand that because the legislation now mentions something about it used to be called public interest okay so now and then we have the regulation we have people who do shorthand basketball weaving or are called profession they are regulated right so now the the government basically says something like you know half interest is good but we want to be more Public Safety right you've got too many people all these they call themselves professional now even possibly you need to be a professional professional so do you want security to be part of that right the same level as that

so that's different right so I'm not saying you cannot okay they do have their names okay people have their short hands right like in the in the court you do have that daily basically for it so sometimes we're not aware of that so people other people may not aware of what we do too right I know that because my wife and kids always tell me Vincent I don't know what to do so yeah I don't know that either so okay so let's switch so I changed from information security to this uh physical infrastructure protection and cyber security profession uh then feel free to ask any question at all throughout the presentation I'll be more than happy because I only have like

five or six slides that's it so the rest I want to listen from you guys because then I after that once you guys tone down no more questions that I'll go into more details and then that's it you know because that's when things like I don't influence uh your how to get all this fresh ideas for more all right so we're gonna do that so you guys know this stuff right these are the critical tank infrastructure in Canada how many in the United States yes 16. yeah it's the same thing you just look at it so you look at it so what do you think you have this why why is 10 like if you look at this

what's commonality what do you think this is a this is a very different perspective okay if you never work at the public sector say the government uh handling disaster I'm talking about disaster I mean not emergency that's the level you probably will not see certain things anyone deal with when you guys do with security if you guys do interdependency no most people don't do that uh dependency and harmonization we're going to talk about that regularly but at that level from the government level and after they do and at the same time you complain because they said the public doesn't know doesn't appreciate because we don't do that stuff right so these are all interrelated right

for example you guys go in uh what industry do you guys go to anyone in the food industry you know what oil and gas I assume is right we talked about security and online gas right when you first talk about security business continuity you can talk about how the food is going to get to you so you can eat anyone is that part of your business continuity plan in and out of disaster or because the workers yeah yeah how are they going to get the food to eat that's not my department yeah that's very common right okay now how does the food gonna get to you or get to the store somehow get to you

all you guys have a business right when you guys do security here I'm gonna here protect the system I'm gonna keep it up and running your operator engineer supervisor superintendent doesn't matter what you have to eat right so the food has to come so how does the food come travel from one place to the next Transportation very good Transportation needs to what the car vehicle needs what to go you need energy in it yes you need roads to be maintain you need gas right and then how you how does that how do you get the gas to where you need to pump it for transportation Transportation or you need pipeline you need pump right so it's like a cycle that's why this is

the internet kind of see it right so these are the kind of knowledge we don't have in Canada right you go to other countries they will have on the government level they will have right so I don't know where there's no positive that will teach you that at least not that I'm aware of right let's say that okay how are you going to plan off of that uh so I had to pressure the opportunity to plan so I did the pandemic plan for the City of Calgary and work and also the flooding and stuff so so that opened my eyes to all this kind of stuff critical infrastructure protection people talk about it normally they just focus on

very specifically right so the first thing in pandemic that we know is that uh what's the most critical services in North America is the most important

which one is the most important in the world food government water very good water is the only one if you look at all the international standards we don't regulate right we don't understand who set the standard for this World Health Organization right got the right I don't commit you set all this stuff except for this because the rest of the World Civilization required this without power we can still survive right the only reason North America and most industrial country require power because without power we live so far away from the water and all these things without water without power to pump anything deliver like water or anything else we are thoughts right especially humans are not designed to

live in this kind of water in the third place I minus 40 so that's one unique black thing called Energy Right so you know there's a war going on somewhere in the world where you don't want to destroy that it doesn't really take a few little things I find a little thing that kind of blow up and then 30 percent of their power is gone right so that's how vulnerable how vulnerable we are that's why I was thinking that we need a profession to be able to help with this okay you heard our chief military they say that up north we have a North Park right where it's all white on the up beyond that is another country

right the exact country were to come over from that part we are close they're nothing they can stop them okay I know we have some monitoring we have like five they have like 85 so we are close right so uh so those are the kind of thing that we are not prepared Canada are never ready all right so those are the kind of knowledge I want to be able to see as part of the uh to the public at large so I want that particular because I know we can security but let's have a profession that can do this right but we need more than I.T we need more than OT right we need physical security we need people

who are experts in some of this area and so on right what the thing is that during Panama will be planning is only want to get paid right when you work yes right so you want money what form of the money Crystal doesn't work Bitcoin doesn't work first of all there is no power doesn't work right so now I think we planned was for cash right so you yeah so those are the little kind of things so when you talk about cash so when you work in this sector instead physical system clear what what would this financial be here why would this be a critical interface beside cash and money I think the ATMs go dry really quick

right yeah and the reason this is here one thing you'll notice although a lot of these places use things like control system you guys all know about but here we are trying to track you know when I would inspector we strike terrorist funding right how they move the money around the al-Qaeda and stuff like that we track those things right with more into that stuff because they get the money then with that money they have the capability and ability to pursue weaponized stuff and things that will attack all the others right even that depending money right so now you see how why I'm focusing on physical infrastructure a big safety this is some this is not something that

you just oh I can turn on my router at home set up my security display just plug it in right press two button and press it right so this take a little bit more knowledge than that so now you guys understand Public Safety why we focus on this that's what we always hope confirm and have to talk about OT that's the focus okay okay let's look at this uh profession here so what do you think the first diagram what is in that progression can be sorry the pumping yeah and that the other one doctor this one here from the lawyer I know yeah so that's fine and what about this one here yeah right yeah so um so they all have their reason

right uh so this obviously the the infrastructure that obviously do you know that if you don't have money if someone steal all your money also then you go to your bank you have no money left zero let's get the devastation on your livelihood right that's why all these are all regulated what's the other one for food which food which profession you think is regulated for food neurologists yeah manufacturer that's for ER engineering but yeah you notice I stay away from engineering but I don't need that heat or something like that so uh yeah so apologies of food so these are the kind of professions so what do they have in common so they do have uh

there's an ad right so five is the law that said okay you guys have to be regulated so now what somehow certified okay here's the law right now uh they said okay so now you think let's say you're a doctor right let's say all of you guys are doctors just for one day all right so you guys are a doctor so the government said okay medicine is very important health is very important to everyone so we're going to form some professional doctors so everyone can do it so how are you gonna so everyone here say I'm a doctor I'm a doctor particularly but how do you decide who's a real doctor or who can actually do the work

that when you seriously when you go yes so you need some sort of body right to regulate right so when you go see a doctor what do you do like how do you know that's the person you just look at the door they say doctor they just go in huh you look for certificate what do you do you look for some destination or not for accepting patients right [Music] but seriously though when you put a doctor a doctor has a okay when you go see the doctor when the doctor tells you that oh yeah you need this medication and all this you question the doctor okay some do but in generally I thought maybe he is a doctor that's why he knows

better right so um so you don't right you just trust the doctor because what you just trust the doctor there's no government monitoring there is a systems

so you wanna let's say even if you want to find one on this profession how you will find let's say you need an encounter to do the tax how do you do that you just Google reviews Google revealed to us but you just uh because there is a regular body that is destination and stuff like that right of products so what are we missing from a security perspective so now that you guys want to become a professional I want to be one I want you to be recognized as one of this what do we need what are we missing to become the same level Professional Security

they decide to pay what else everyone just the first thing they go is money I want to see The Passion of your professional education education okay some sort of Education regulation now to govern this the legislation what is the scope of that legislation it's National anyone else it could be International if it was set up so technically is provincial right okay so that is the reason why when we first founded ISD Square you know what IC squaredness yeah we just thought of that I think that's probably the only one in the world that is at a provincial level right we have a chapter Chronicle Vancouver but nothing provincial the reason we started we actually eyes to

grab the provincial level because I want to be at the same level as the first Geographic is geographically uh spoke will be the first right and so and we want I wanted to do this that's because of uh I cut the business because I've been up to another Association where this is like uh they don't know anything about this area like 16 20 years ago it's not a big thing right so security wise and so I grabbed that and it wasn't until recently that they there's a lot this um in Alberta there is uh there's this one here this last station for this profession individual act they've got two things that they regulate what is the best titles the other one is

the practice okay then there's another right which just regulate title okay just like whatever destination you have if you are not one of those 11 whatever destination you have that's not regulated uh if you screw something up what happened you take your title away right in this particular case they regulate title and practice that means that can you just perform surgery you got anyone you are assuming that you guys are not doctors can you just cut someone up

nothing's stopping you yeah someone will come and stop you so that's basically the practice right so there is a regulation that will regulate the practice so you cannot do that practice if you are not part of that profession and also the title right those are the two things right so those are very important I know that's why I say this topic sometimes can be dry because I I it's gonna be getting much royally sooner because there's no water around here right so okay so now you have an idea uh so some of this stuff here well that's the question I was gonna ask you guys um uh related to this so and you guys already got all the

components so I'm gonna just move forward to it okay and history so what happened is that you said a little bit on my background so um so one of my background is yes I'm also an engineer so please don't hold that against me so um so what happened is that with engineering the egg that regulates uh the end those so-called independent desolation and those who govern the one that's just the title quora I had nothing for many many years 30 years right somewhere around there it's only recently that this has been updated less than a year ago too much of my time frame you just so it's only currently it's in the third hearing right now you can go read out on

the website it's called Bill 23 or whatever right here today so I'm waiting for the test hearing if it passes that then hopefully I would like we will need to uh then we can apply to see whether as a profession yes different model we can approach this okay that's why I want to open to all of you here where the the general model that we can have something that do that with cyber security or whatever security OT security whatever part of this or you can have individuals okay I'm not going to tell you what my preference is but I'm just going to open to let you guys think about it you can let me know now

the whole idea they do this is something called the rate take reduction initiated at the federal level also at the provincial level they mean they want to streamline all of this process see so that means that if I form something that has cyber security and you want to have another cyber security that just wasting government asset money and it's you know application why it just has a conflicting and all that then you just kill everything it's a definitely go away that's what happened in BC BC has this first and then Alberta decided to copy BC and start and then have this thing for professional governance if you check BC also hashtag so this is General see

General and now another very important part of this is that she's like you guys are concerned about something called freedom of speech that's very important right for us here in Canada so this is another thing that's very very important okay so right now who doesn't watch you guys do you guys oh you guys you guys call yourself security professional right but who make sure that you are who you say you are like you guys have destination from someone else like from any professional association or diploma or whatever yeah make that title all right I've seen all kinds of Chief hacking officers Chief penetration officer that one a strange one but um yeah so um I think that's the best one I've seen uh

this president of the company economy South the emperor so yeah I saw the business got Emperor or whatever so um yeah so this is this is gold devotion right self-government okay so what does that mean what does self-government mean to me this is very important um discipline their enforcement yeah

yeah so that's that's very important that's self-governing right when you look at Doctor lawyer architect why are they always because they're self-governing right the government looked at them as an expert you look at one of those Heroes right they brought up the case the opposition they say that the minister decide to pull up the medical field say hey why are you doing this I know during pandemic or something it's kind of talented this is what you need to do right and then the president of the chief uh administrative officer or something for the medical field and say that what are you talking about right so the opposition the government will say that that is why we let themselves govern it

they know that field they are the subject matter expert they are the profession in that field you are government stop telling them what to do that's the beauty of self-governing right right now you could be uh getting your title some of you may have destination diploma degrees from a lot of institution destination for many professional institutions but no one say which one is better which one is better so we have these challenges right now my challenge is that whenever I want to hired security person there is no standard let's say this is what we need to know right right now and it's always a challenge the only thing I can put the RFP without breaking the supply chain to the

customer you can do that too that is that I cannot just say I want someone who knows this destination because I don't know whether is that enough of that in the marketplace right everyone you have different background different level of knowledge I don't know what to put in there to be fair right it's like what the mouth then only at five of you guys who are I know who are expert I will only hire them the rest of you that cannot find a job that's not fair right so we want it to be self-governing so this is what we call our in provincial government we call this thing sometimes we call this um regulated Monopoly so

when you regulate the security it means that uh it is regulated that means that it is Monopoly you the entity the administrative you're going to be uh making all the decision but within the oversight of the government so some people will do all of this without oversight of the government like that's what we are doing right now right we all have different professional association we kind of align with or education institution but education is a bit different uh that one is regulated but we also have a lot of private companies that come from the states come up here and teach but they're not regulated right so you don't know the quality of that knowledge with why but you notice like doctor

lawyers acknowledges they all have their self-regulate their knowledge will be standardized through all your knowledge right and then the experience is standardized to you need to practice of so many of internship training whatever for certain period of time and to be vouched here to be tested before you can actually practice so that's what uh the self-governing is all about okay so we want to streamline so you can search for video 23 there's a website up there if not I'll give you a QR code at the end you can take a picture and then either you want to Google take a picture of it you can scan it later on then you can always email me later on

I'll be more than happy if right now I've got a team of people I can tell you later on so I've been trying to do this for over 16 years because of the on the engineering side the engine people don't care because they only I don't know why I don't care about the word engineer if you use that I'm gonna shoot you right so I talked to the ending I said uh be sure you're gonna assume it's a yes I will take you to the court Vincent if you use the word engineer like security engineer okay fine and so I don't know the way around it right I just have to tell the government make us an exception and that's it they

cannot do everything so so that's what they say so they don't really care so we can call ourselves right whatever security Professional Security expert is actually a legal term to be better trying to try to avoid them as liability um so whatever we want to call our profession so that's one thing we're trying to work on uh you know can we do this and how we're going to approach this so this is a bill 23 that's the website just the reason I just show you a snapshot of the website if you go in this is what you're going to see so you don't go to a malicious website right by accident and so here's a here's the 11th

uh uh pro professional regulator basically these are the one that register under independent legislation right you can see everything from architecture astrologers survey here now how many of you guys how many of you do assessment in the cloud for security what do you guys normally ask what kind of report do you ask the party audit or what what do you guys ask report who regulates sure sure report who huh yeah they are regulated right now if right now they go to the government say we are just the cloud expert right look at that all security people ask for our report right sucks one time two software time to whatever right and say security information security we're

gonna regulate that that said all everything you do you cannot save they have this yes they can say whatever they want and you have to do whatever they want because they are regulated that means if you start practicing something if they start to take security under them that means you break the law if you don't register with them and you practice without yeah without paying them online three you get money then it gives you the license right and so I want to grab that security practice before they take it so technically they have to they can say that right now you guys ask for stops report why don't you guys quit you always have one for security before maybe CSA the

one we heard in the uh uh this morning in our keynote but right now that's not the standard right we trust this we don't trust CSA because this is regulated right we know the standard for this we know the government trust is the government is funding foreign [Music] because it's not recognized legally under the law right so that is why we uh and right now those of you who are so these are the ones that under uh quora they only regulate the title right so there's no practice for example the I.T side right so you guys are practicing IP yeah you guys have yeah any of the uh title destination you're gonna say what destination right

see that's the point right but the only reason I get that only because when I had to testify as an expert uh then that would make a lot of sense because that would be recognized under the law right I'm also an IP professional too so now slowly you get to know me a little bit at the time okay um supply chain right now yeah they have the title here I'm not saying you cannot practice whatever you want but when you come to court they're gonna listen to this the judge will look at this list if you're a mentor of any of this they're gonna listen to you rather than you belongs to nobody okay when I feel like accepting you the

things that they look for that that's why I have to remember because I have cases where something happened I had to represent both I.T and Engineering in court so I had to write just like any communication contractual legal I could write the same thing to both right so if you know insecurity what's the big thing in Supply chains are compromise right one of the things right those of you who are with I know percentage uh and explain this area I think someone you guys are to mental about how you're gonna secure your supply chain from vulnerability uh one thing people talk about blockchain and stuff like that and then if you didn't even apply that to

security that's why you said ah I don't like what you said we're gonna set a standard guess who's gonna win you can put all the effort in set up your own discuss in your Workshop whatever group they're gonna win okay that's the power of having been arrested now having self-governance that means that you can decide that right right now when you talk about education who's decide you guys take secure some of you are students here or students and others who decide that not you not your fashion it's the Indus it's actually it's a school right every school are different all right depending two steps we decide I know I mean I mean I would in the

industry and in Academia at the same time right fundamentally the school will decide a program and then you're going to get that approved for this also the end it's University fsrp provides by those educational Technologies act and all that stuff then it's submitted to the government for approvals obviously there's a few other stuff in there like getting better insurance or Industries blah blah blah then once that approved they teach right I can tell you I don't think they have the right people at the government to approve all this program okay the only the government has no security I mean in general okay I'm not saying it's a security team in general they basically said that okay

you want to teach this that means that you're telling me there's a need in the marketplace that says break show me the evidence they take all the letter and testimonial they give this government government say yeah that's good and then they will come and then they will prove it to teach any student here the student loan right when you told the student to assuming he has to download when you phone the student loan what the first thing they ask you know identification huh no number and social initial why is that isn't that compromising uh violating your privacy under your ER personal information act yeah no because remember we need this when you when you tell when this education

help the government this as a need in the industries that means that they have to justify their needs that there will be job available when you graduate so they have to ask everyone you get a loan because they approve this program you can get a loan to take this program so that they have asking for the same number whether you've got a job in that area so they do validation right the school will ask every student when you graduate they will call you get a call from the school they say do you have a job and what job are you doing because they have to justify back to the government that you know they approve this program you get a

job and all that stuff right that's why they ask for the same number because that's how they try to validate what the education institutions say whether you actually got a job right see this is the kind of thing that nobody does because most of you either were in the industry or school I work in both areas so I see see the whole Spectrum right so uh yes kind of thing so so this is one at a very high level okay uh so we have Canada and then we have Public Safety we have recently corporate Enterprise protection and cyber security so there's an ad in there right let's secure a destination there and then from there I know that's National

never a provisional provision uh due to literally and then from now we're hoping we can set up this thing for uh for our professions so in general what we need we need a specialized knowledge so we have to decide what is the specialized knowledge we need to protect Canada is supposed to justify business case for the future without this information available and then we need ethics all professional assets right and then we have some sort of experience so that's what we need and then from there once you justify they give you the title they let you practice it hopefully there are two practices because if you ended up with the poorer type of legislation then you cannot regulate

practice you can only regulate the title or govern the title and if you can govern both that would be the best then you become a professional So This Is How We Do programming professional I know there's a lot of definition but this professional under the role right because

right now I'm trying to approach this from the IFC Square because engineering don't doesn't help right I've been trying to go to engineering for years they don't care they just go for 17 years because it's security no nothing does engineering play a role in security right now anyone in building anyone so they have to sign off what your alarm and stuff like that they still have to sign up only static under the law of detection don't you just know that you can sign up right so and you have to sign up so when I asked my question that what happened in the dynamic during run time what do you guys do the Engineer Expert said I don't know right right you

only look at the connectivity because as you mentioned before things are the single Loop phase or whatever they look at that book make sure it is covered when you run in runtime they don't know because security is not there domain right so that's why I think that we are the experts here we should regulate this right but obviously we need other experts to be able to help us with the Citibank structure how do you end up at the national level because we are the first ones BC has one but most of the people in BC they go to another ad for Security Services act where that's where uh like bodyguard locksmiths you know uh the people who scan you at your airport

and subject under that act they call them see under that act this is don't actually submit something called your security practice you can call this a cyber security practice and you just approve them right so a few people call themselves professional under that act not under the uh professional governing act so that means that they are not self-regulated they are regulated by the government so if they were to go through the professional governance act then if they decide what is the practice what knowledge what experience what you should be doing and then they do everything that you think they do all the enforcement investigation disciplinary and all that stuff okay but that's what happened in DC and then

there was a fight between the I.T and the um have the investigation that TI the ti in DC say that I do travel investigation all cyber security like hacking tactic all this is my domain and then the I.T security said no that's my domain they both went to the government the government said stop arguing go back stay the way things stay the way it is that's why they did not proceed any further so in our further I'm trying to do that with the I.T there's another group really big group is in Ontario and they are doing but they are the engineers are pushing they already have something that regulates with your infrastructure they call it cie

political infrastructure engineering because they want to take a look after they they shouldn't it's a destination there and they're changing that to CSE cyber security engineering you can change the title the under the destination and then say you cannot change this title so they just change from tie to csb okay so um that's what they do now keep in mind though uh there is engineering and that means that the uh most of the engineers are there if I can get this but they don't have this app over there so they so that means they have to create this ad this governing act that was created so they don't have it so without going to a

lot of detail they have to create like you know Supply demand translation and then uh Supply demand and there's a lot of things they have to create from scratch that doesn't exist so they are uphill metal we have this opportunity here right I waited 16 17 years and finally it's here and on cooking will be able to move forward and hopefully after reading by early next year we can apply for it and hopefully we'll get it but if the engineering gets it we can if we can get it here I'll pass the business case over there and then once they get it they cover most of the engineering in Canada whatever they do in Ontario the rest of

the engineers in Canada will do that this will go across the across the country now if engineering gets it we can still belong to it okay we can either be part of it I'm not sure you're aware not engineering is not a monopoly okay because they are regulated by the government that means that you can actually um you can actually uh become a like a limited practice right so when it's so engineering you see with that kind of self-governing what they do that you think you can follow any model we work together I work with lawyers uh accountants professionals and all that we discuss all the time uh I'm just gonna just talk about the

engine model like medical is different medical are 23 different disciplines and they're all self-regulate within that discipline too right about engineering does an engineering approach is that once I give you a pH that means that you decide you yourself decide your own competency if you screw up you stay in front of the judgment and explain why someone died and you go to jail right so in this case if you say your cyber security then you do cyber security right and then you practice you think you you decide because we trust you right now if you get your PMS technically you say you do security we don't have you can do whatever security you want as

long as you do your computer if you do nuclear you can do biological attack chemical and all that EMF nuclear you can do whatever you want if someone died you go to jail right uh so that's that's how it works in Alberta is a bit different the technician and the engineers the government said stop fighting you guys go together they have one act two Association one app that's how that's what it is in Alberta but not like accounting they consolidate right see ACM and CGA now three under one act right so engineer technicians are on that I just got the news yesterday morning that one other colleagues uh the security program just got approved by ASAP

okay you guys know what he said they got a certified uh yeah so there's the Xbox I know that is the very first security program that got approved by uh by a regulated bodies and that means that if you guys can register as a technician and do security legally uh professionally under the law that Engineers cannot do because it doesn't have security discipline right now at all so that's the first time I see that happen and we don't have regulation for security at all other countries do for example Singapore they do have that because they say that when you Outsource to anyone in the uh like soft and good risk assessment pen testing you must

have a license but you guys get your stuff get back tested externally right how do you know the people who can test the stuff for you are good you only looked at the qualification right you do PCI yeah that USA good enough right but then the qsa listing that's good enough but you don't know whether they're actually ethical professionals have that specific knowledge right we don't do that so because they can I could be the bad person you only take me six years to go through all the clinical infrastructure right to work in all of those so I know where all your vulnerabilities are uh I can steal all your information if I really want to then I can go

take you down right it's not that difficult right so that's what that is um so now I'll show you a little bit about my background so I work with IC Square so I teach all those people I kind of help people out I actually official trainer for those cssp all those stuff so that I can help people to expedite their professionalism so I wrote the uh I contributed to the 56624.3 I cannot write their professional exam because I wrote the exam for them right I have all the answers so I cannot do that so I will be ICC so I I voted a lot of your security standard in Canada I work for you but if

you guys do not participate in that so I vote on behalf of Canada so this will joined there so that I just quit because so I was one of the five people that selected to write all the processed stuff that relate to 27 000 won and that I wrote it right okay so if you guys want to change the world which one sec standard Council address one thing I'll tell you right now we have a the top level uh a lot of expert accessibility and Industrial they are all from Calgary right now so go to this here submit your resume and their officially will give you a letter uh call you an expert right but if not you cannot go vote on

behalf of Canada if you're not an expert right you cannot testify in court so I am technically I don't have letter that say I'm an expert because I do testify in court to say that yeah on behalf of I.T engineering all this stuff so yeah do this I also contribute to this because this between this and this group here that consisting of 80 85 of the most standard so I do this so that the whole world will uh follow and I also work in all of this I forget military system for I think military for people companies uh countries and I actually enjoy so I am familiar with fully regulated independent I am so familiar with the quora regulation and

also work with all the other stuff like that and stuff in security also on supply chain security all that even like 10 years ago before it's a big thing so right now what I'm trying to do is get Isis on behalf of ISC Square try to Champion this thing here so if you want to have support if you do not belong to any association please you can join as a member of ISE Square for free and hopefully with the amount of membership we can when we do the application we hopefully to reach a critical mass to be able to uh to the government but I do but I want initially I started in full size now I'm moving on to

physical infrastructure uh this is history so this is the current state right now so most Association of funds I call it fun club we do results we do some social events we have this kind of stuff right we have our concert first that's great but if you will become a professional association you have to do all of this stuff right you have to create all this really you need to regulate what our experience and body or knowledge so right now on my community I have people who are actually I have the extra individual security and expert in emergency people who are all certified in FEMA and engineers understand that I work with Isa I need

the body of knowledge so I'm getting all these experts to uh to contribute their body and knowledge and standard for for this effort so guess what I think the state of uh the president of the global physical security this will happen I think one of the executives is in Calgary and the head of the president Global of IFA c2443 is from Calgary I mean I think the moon the planet just aligned nicely right now for this year so if we don't get this we don't achieve this get our profession recognized this year or early next year I'm not sure if I don't think it's gonna align again in my lifetime okay so let me know if you guys are

interested and that's basically it so right now I just I'm waiting for the third reading I'm going to communicate with the government to see uh what does it take to move forward and I'm hoping that all of you guys would uh would help us to support us and then hopefully if you achieve it hopefully some of you we need someone initially to help you know uh grandfather some people so the sooner you get on hopefully you can be better further to uh to become Professional without right the thing about it there are benefits what's that that sounds like motivation yeah if you want to you can click here so this you'll get to the website for

that uh our professional government you have any questions ask me um we want to help me to explain uh this exactly I'm interested you can take my email address email here whatever and when I start to have meeting again I want to happy to include you you can come and listen if you want to listen to the Ontario ones you want to provide you can do that too they are called e4p they are looking at all emerging disciplines not just security there will be another technology biomedical uh then they look at all the surface I'm just focusing on Google infrastructure and cyber security okay thank you

well like network engineer or network design solution design they have that but they you have to justify to the government why is Public Safety oh yeah yeah so right now I want to Target Public Safety exactly yeah if not they will not let you regulate the practice is a shortage of cyber people today regulated

uh that's why I'm trying to get is trying to get our Aces I don't get uh I'm getting uh uses and all this instructions to get as many people involved there's another model that we can do all of that just like engineering we've got civil engineering like saver doesn't know how to do electrical electrical doesn't know how to do mechanical but it's all this different discipline under one umbrella so I'm hoping to do the same physical security service it would probably also make the careers more tangible to parents seeing that it's it's a professional career rather than just something that you know yeah it would probably be easier to get kids interested there's more direction right yeah