Confessions Of A Lock Collector - Steve Wilson

right once again so I have to remember to breathe this time I did talk in Scotland of the one slightly wrong I've not practiced this I finished writing it about half an hour ago as I always do so I might overrun massively or we might be done very quickly I have a rough overview I'm going to talk for a bit and talk for a bit and then show you a lot of pictures so there's no no videos no moving stuff just lots and lots of photographs for anybody who doesn't know who I am not mom I'm in the lock-picking room last Leeds besides I did not leave the lock-picking room all day you know I

had food brought in and stuff so I did a lot of picking at conferences I've offensive security for 20-some years I'm moving from cyber security which is a word I hate to hopefully full time physical stuff I I say run stuff accompanies with Tim I I you know I'm sort of hanging around with a lot of tool you care people the open organization of a lot pickers and especially the UK chapter I hang on UK lots for coding here which is a wonderful forum that I don't and volume if looking at I write far too many slides I I have a serious eBay problem I'm deliberately not putting any of the cost of any of this stuff I'm going to

talk about Leon here for fear that my other half finds out how much money I'm spending I help run DC forty four one four five two or DC Gloucester but it might be moving to Cheltenham because the pub we used to uses is being demolished we think I have a rehab in Cheltenham that's reverse engineering hacking and beer where where we drink beer so my first beer of the year was at rehab and I'm pondering starting up a YouTube channel or a blog or something because people keep telling me they're actually interested in this I I had a horrible thought last night when I was a kid my granddad used to drag me around museums and stuff and show me like steam

engines and dull boring mechanical things that's basically what I've got for you today it is like like yet oh look at this lot always is another one oh isn't this a yeah so so if you're not interested in lots this is probably not the top for you so I'm good to talks I say about a bunch of well in fact okay so I went to a conference in the Netherlands the back end of last year where I I bought it was a zipper on my tool it was brilliant event I bought a lot of locks off a lot of people from all over the world and I thought I'll write the talk and I will explain all

these locks obviously very quickly but through them and I've written 107 slides and I've done maybe a fifth of them so yeah so let's say this is this is merely part one there will be more to follow I can talk about the locks or some of the designs how they work and how you might think about tackling some of them and of course when it comes to locksmithing there are two approaches cover no verts and depending on what you find on their cell red team pen testing new type worlds we have to do the sneaky covert stuff because most the time they were less great things but then I know people who do you know like actual you know we

will do burgers burglar simulations so we don't do any other clever stuff people just come in and snap blocks and chill DeBarge doors and that sort of things so you know there are techniques on both sides and obviously defenses I've been implemented to try and stop both sides I mean ultimately you can't make a lot that is undefeatable ultimately but when it breaks and you need a lot smithing to fix it you know they've have to be able to somehow you're buying yourself time you know nothing is going to stand up to sufficient amount of high explosives yeah yeah we've got I've got all talk we we made a thermal once years ago yeah it was freaking lives idea it did

work but we haven't tested it similarly the other thing I do is I try and read a bit I started off buying like years ago a lots and lots of little cheap books I'm not picking and as time has gone on I've sort of increased the amount of money I'm spending if anybody wants and recommendations on books come come talk to me I've got a couple with me this one in particular so so I first got interested in lock-picking got about twenty years ago and there was an electronic version of this book which of the trial version available because they did it as a like an online thing with videos and stuff and I started

reading it it was it was fascinating those two books were a hundred and seventy quid which is the cheapest I've ever seen them they used to be about five or six hundreds to the set I mean intended as reference material for sort of professional people not for your up rich hobbyist but but they are they are brilliant the trouble is I think it's it's seventeen hundred pages so I haven't read them cover I left I saw a dip in and out when I'm looking for cific bits but again I would I would recommend them and I've got I've got them with me if you wanna have a look so right so what we're gonna start

today talking a little bit about warded locks mostly because I actually want to talk about his leave a lot and water lots leads into that so say you know back for a long time all we had were warded locks and warded locks are very simple so so an example of one right pickle maybe it's a very simple latching mechanism the the king fits through a series of wards which are little metal things that stop it turning so incredibly easy to defeat because you just got a blank key and in the market but something put it in tried turn it take it out see whether there's marks file this way and it's where the idea of skeleton keys come

from because ultimately a skeleton key is a key that's had every bit taken away apart from the thing that actually needs to operate the locks will fit no matter what the warning is and I've got a simplified example of that later on I've not taken this one apart yet but because I'm scared I'll not be able to get it back together when I got it out of the box but it was delivered it works and like a load of rust fell out and there's no like nice easy screws to take apart so I'm it's yeah it's waiting to be done I've got some pictures might live in a Victorian house and apologies for the photographic podium these these were

taken with a Fuji film digital camera in 2003 about 640 by 480 with I don't know some focus and my eyes don't work so but this was you know back then I knew about pin tumblers that's what everybody's thoughts picking and I said oh I've got this house some I don't like door so we've taken a lot of doors off sets right on tape on a lot spot and it's a really simple wallet lock again slightly for some pictures so you know there is a bolt that slides back and forth and there is one spring-loaded thing that holds in place so you have the lock and you can see the bolts I don't know I found like

a 1 pence piece in it when I just matter this is you know people's chef money and locks apparently so I say if you look at the picture on the left it's just with a bolt lifted down thing on the right the the big bits that I know there's stuff on camera that is actually the spring and there's this little latch so when you put the key in and turn it it lifts a lock out the way and slide but nothing nothing really much to it you can lift it to any height as long as it clears it it's fine I say you can see the warding so if you look at the teeth look the picture on the left you know

you can see that these holes cut in the middle of the key and if you look at the picture on the right you can just see like the little stumps of metal that he needs to have you know to be around and obviously if you don't have the key it won't turn is a bits of metal blocking it so I wanted to find it in a lot of slightly more modern examples when I was getting ready fist talks okay and get on eBay find a cheap little block with a key and just by looking at the picture on eBay I can see that you know there are waters in there brilliant it's awarded lock so I get it towed by soak

it in oil for a bit to try it because it's horribly rusted and then I try and turn the screws and all I do is end up spinning the the bits on the back it wouldn't that wouldn't come apart so you've got the trusty tools out and hit it with a hammer a few times punched the screws out and again inside it's really simple there is this sliding bolt and there is one latch behind it and again I haven't got the key but no the key would would lift the latch and slide the bolt and the warding itself are these bits so again you can see you know you're gonna have to get something in there that will

get rid of them and you know people would open with bits of wire or you know anything you like as long as you can get it in and around there so that the security of them was thwarted which isn't terribly secure thinking back to the lot that was on my hair so I went looking for modern equivalent and he'll sell these these rim deadlocks for garden or internal door security I mean I'm not terribly seen here on they're not boarded at all I mean if you look at the piece there's no reason for these if you put just about flat eating is there's nothing to stop it they're actually quite clever cos they're reversible you can do them but

them either way up or left because otherwise you know if you're putting lots on doors you know you know they're left facing I like facing this way won't so either and again all that happens is if you turn the key and it's like a pincer movement this Brunton on side so it lifts the little notch out the way and bulls slide and then drops back in again wouldn't be terribly hard to defeat not not high security not intended to be high security and um I actually animation of it movement blows so again not a lot to it so Reitzel evil ops so it likes a war did lots around forever and ever and ever and were terribly insecure so in

1778 Robert Barron came up with this idea of the barren Rock now I've just got to find any decent pictures of it just like people who collect these things copyright on them and know it if you see live photos but I found no pitcher in the Encyclopedia Britannica and if you look it's and it's slightly differently lot today because okay you've got the the to leave are tumblers the key goes in and those will lift to different heights if you over lift them it'll block and a lot but you know that it lifts them out the way and then the lot will slide and money turn P they'll drop in the hose in place now the

trouble is that the original ones they only have two levers and I'm the only impossible a limited number of cuts and I mean if you think about like crypto you know big if you use more P space a lot more stuff so you can build you know like 20 keys and you've got any key that would ever work in this and again I started do us on you know just that more and more and more and as you'll see the number of leaders increase but it was a revolutionary design so if this is play animation die nipped off Wikipedia somewhere so some modern level ops again you know the P through of the bulbs but

it also lifts the levers to just the right height so that the capsule line and the stump that's on the ball will slide through so again they're you know simple I mean as you'll see when we look at some actual examples of them believe this on completely square that sort of remedy cuts in them so it was that right so I want to start buying some simple lock so I can stop taking apart a lot to understand how they work so you're going to look on eBay and you find cheap I mean there's there's thousands of these sort cabinet locks you know intended for locking happen it's yes a lot of them will have been my

handmade you know I have no idea how well this particular one is it's been very well restored I mean it's like it's like never polish they're going to put it as clearly got a lot into it and again they're really simple so you've got you've got to believers and bold to take it back off there's a typical often behind at the to believers key and tracks for those lifting by tight it will clothes disassembled and I say this is my new hobby now is just taking lots and lots of photos take that bit off take photos take that bit off take photo I mean mostly someone might come to put it back together again like love and work

out where did that thing come off trouble with by the lots I mean you can see one of the springs have snapped it shortened the others they should be the same it still works but again you know build blocks you often don't know what you're getting because they'll show you lots of pictures at the outside of it but you don't necessarily know what's inside it nice simple or to start off with I then know it's this one and it's not all the peace not warding on it it's probably it's probably not some clever warding inside and this is nothing so so back yeah so Renaissance times like the peas they made for watered Lots but beautifully ornate and not really

complex and and they were really simple inside it's just in the keys like courtesy know people feel nice awesome really ornate key the lock must be really complicated and it isn't it's all lies it's just you just make things look pretty and I'm sure enough this is no different if you if you crack it open it very simple after one slightly different design with but whoops but there's no warning at all and so for the key they didn't you know they've wasted their time carving that empathy is there's not actually anything that it does internally so it's not awarded lock it's just another to level off like I said you know so so that's gonna be a limited

number of keys you've been made for to leave lots or what you do well you stick more leavers in so you know something like this which is a fall either lock so you know twice as complicated again probably handmade no does it I could put something made sorry mr. gullible over there okay would you like to buy some magic beans I know it says I've took this apart it's a twice what's that weird like boys are all those circle patents and look at the key in somebody's cob the number eight in it which I have no idea what what relevance that has the other thing to notice about this is if you if you look at the levers

on them on the right so the bottom one it's got like source pulping paid into it that's a thing they do to stop and sticking if you look at the one at the top it's at got a big line gouge through it and when I took this thing apart you know it's so yeah if you if you like to clean freak by no blocks and taking bits is quite unpleasant they are full of all sorts of dirt and crap and Android oil and God knows what and lots of lots of little bits of brass because you know over time you've got steel key rubbing against brass you know it will it will wear out but I guess I mean I keep slop sniffing

won't know we're doing alright another one I know it's almost as old as I am almost because it's got the date stamped on it so it must be true right again yeah buying things on eBay don't necessarily there's a lot of my important things described as you know a particular type of lock style watch and I said well is it original it's a copy I I don't know if again you know it's it's well they get a lot older don't don't worry they'll be they'll be you know what as ones that we make you feel comparatively young and again inside it's trivially simple you've got very similar that levers not lots of features involved in them and it just slides a

play it back and forth which interacts with the so again this is for like you know like a jewelry box or something rather than a thing with a set of doors and again we dismantle it simple brass washer for some spacing and then just the two levers which are horribly covered in oil that's the other thing like they say buying stuff off eBay and you get it apart and the things people put in lots over the years to make them work or not could be quite unpleasant lots of cleaning molds and again descriptive is component parts you know they're very simple and there's not a lot to them and it's interesting though because just you know I say they did so

it's an older design but if you look at things like leave a padlocks it's basically exactly the same just in a modern format so again that see that's the monster for me a purple bits to like that's not really talked about tooling yet so so if you know about picking pin tumblers you know you have something to apply tension and something to move the pins same thing with leave a lots so this is a just a generic leave a padlock set so you've got three different henshin tools for different sized locks and then a incredibly stiff wire that you used to actually manipulate levers and I say in looking at these you know they've got no pulse kids they've got

nothing is designed to like slow you down so they are parrot of Li easy to pick up and learn again we're gonna get on to more complex stuff the other thing I keep buying is is just more random padlocks the air bus on the left in the middle is the cheapest lock I've ever bought on eBay if it cost me one euro from Germany and 17 euros shipping but it's a bargain and the one on the right some thought that's poor block again I need to dig into it and see if I can find out more information about it I mean that's the other thing you know finding out but I mean there is a

community of people who collect lots and talk about them but a lot of the times you buy stuff and it's like I can find literally no documentation on this at all and if you're lucky it might have a patent number on it either them do so again I know I have you know I spent a lot of money buying Lots but I now have like months or years worth of research atomy working out what they do and what I can talk about in slightly more depth so is this idea and these are American locks that were made sort of start with the 19th century 20th century 1900s early 1900s okay so called pancake locks and they're actually leaving padlocks

they've branded them for all sorts of people the first one I bought was incredibly cheap and as it turns out when we got it that's because it's broken somebody's clearly tried to take it apart in the past and wrecked it there's a couple of bits missing some inside but it was interesting to see how it works something so basically you've got the the shuttle that will move up and down if you lift the levers to the right height so that swinging arm can drop in the gap again we actually took it apart it was it was disgusting in there and I say if some of the springs of snap someone missing there was an entire peg

missing so I say we're fairly sure somebody's try to fix it filled jammed it back together and stuff on eBay so it hit like make him buy it my friend Tim then pointed me at the slightly better example um thanks Tim that's more of my money gone and it's a lovely thing then somebody's done quite a good job I mean the other thing I like is cutaway locks you know I'd like to be able to see how what's inside how do they work yeah hopefully I'm going to start learning how to use a Mills soon so I can start producing my own hopefully that's profit to be ending them because I've got a lot of old lot so I can shop

and sell for money but I say it's an interesting design it's not suppose you horribly reach there there there's lots of videos online of people opening them so basics you get six nails from a nail gun and you clamp them between two pieces of wood so they're you know they're held but not completely solidly and you basically stick them in the keyhole and wiggle about and eventually it'll pop open and then when it's opened the levers locked in place so if you look on the one that's open you know that bar is now holding the levers physically where they need to be so you can easily measure the right types and make it here so again you know like you start look at

them and if you know about pin tumblers you know what I look like I sort of stick a pic in but I have no idea what's going on but ya know they are they are impressionable so yeah I say interesting if anybody wants to see any of these I've got them all along in the room at the end another curiosity which is not something I'd seen before although somebody pointed out this morning you used to get lever locks with what spring touches on railway carriages this is allegedly a lot from a foot box so the idea is if you look far picture that the bullet has you know like like a yell front door that you close it's a

spring-loaded catch what this has that I've never seen on a leave a lock the vault is is it it's got a locking mechanism so the trouble there's a lot of locks like your yell front door lock if you leave it up and I'll come and get like a shim and just shimmy over the way if it says nothing holding it in place so so these sorts of things which are the being if I was actually no that brilliant is nobody fits in properly so the one on the left as I'm sorry but that one have to write in a spring-loaded catch you know it would have handle to turn it you push the door shut again if I get a shim I can pull it

out away you see them like this where this there's a second bit but probably it's like build us don't understand these and they make that they go in for tea because the idea is that pin should slide out the way so that they should both get pushed back as the door shuts but the little one should steer pushed in and the other one should spring out at that point a locking mechanism cuts in and you cannot physically move the spring-loaded body but like I say it builders make holes too big because oh it's too awkward to fit so we've got into lots of places because they've got this mechanism in and it's not being fitted properly and

it's not working I mean if you look inside the lots you can see basically if you push if you push both of the bits of metal it will just spring back and pull but as soon as that one stays in and the one behind it goes the other way that little leaver drops down and it physically stops it from moving so again the only way you're going to get that you know you can't trim my anymore you can't wish it away do enough to put something the keyhole and I'm more bits to it come here so that's not that these route now I was looking at this and if there seems to be me to be a

blatant floor in it so there is one of those leavers that lifts the little arm out the way so I do to make it shippable is lift up one lever you don't have to pick the rest of them I'm not suggesting this is in some amazing new locked or di found but it's just again I'm client getting the mind of thinking advice mmm yeah well lift all of them it doesn't matter because I say as long as you can lift this I mean of them it's installed in some first box with a big heavy door you took there's something to stop you getting all of the lights moving out the way I've not investigated any post boxes to see again

only play with option one and not ones are in use and again it's trick it down you know slightly more complex cuz it's got six leave is a mystical challenge six yes some if you love the the plate that goes on the side where the the people in would be has been so strengthen business more material there because again so another attack against these things you drill into them filled in stop stuff destructively so they start putting you know hardened plates and extra bits in to stop your drilling I haven't taken these apart yet so the Western Electric 30 you see these were used in the US to protect phone boxes in films and for a long long

time these were thought to be unpickable we've got a really interesting flow in camp design that makes it difficult tension them they've got a weird like grabber that holds the leavers in place if you try and tempting them they're really clever somebody last year I think it was came up with a method of decoding them and based off the back of that there's a guy who has been releasing videos of him picking them he I think he himself points out he has like one lock that he's learned to do and he can do that one lock whereas if you give him a bunch of locks he didn't know you know it would take him a significantly long

remember time but it was one of these Lots that for a long time was thought like there's no recorded record of people actually picking them another wants the chrome a protector which I have one with me a group is in this slide deck again I don't think anybody has publicly opened that and I say this was another one and then last year this video came out and there was a lot of argument that people I know about all it's fake it's been set up it's been modified it's not right and you get that a lot like what lot sport how do I have communities of like you know older but what's where that bit why I drop from

that you suddenly see in the picture so again like do the video again and but I say it's you know they're interesting locks what I mean what's funny is the the thing they replaced them with which was a medical based off massively we can lock but you know there but they got rid of previous one and and this was nice this is some stuff I got for free because what I when I bought these lots of eBay one of them only had one Kieran into piece so that we're really really sorry we only got one key fridge it's like hair only need one key so no we'll send you some some like scraps of spare

bits which got me some of these medical lots which at the time I didn't have one [ __ ] didn't have piece I mean the medical lots you're interesting themselves is they lot my pin tumblers right but they've only got one pin in them not two pins so they're driverless they have got sidebar but yeah no no it's it's again I need that room just stripping them and never thought but that would be in my mind pin tumbler talk when I get around to it right no no a bit older so chat what's invincible and I thought I had notes but it says no no it's about once made 1800s so this is a safe lock and again I like safe locks

they're big heavy clunky things is interesting for a number of reasons so it so is what's to have a pound of proof lock there's a back when when these things were being made like the only real explosive people get all of its gunpowder so so the way to open safes is you stuff the locks full of gunpowder and you ignite it but so they make them with very little open space in them to reduce the amount parody became so you know that the force of what compelled you could gain won't be enough to dump Sherlock and open it obviously then my quite explosive came out and ruined it so I say if you look at some modern

lever locks you know they've got huge spaces inside whereas these are all you know four more four more tighten and restrictive inside this one is interesting because it has a thing to try and stop if you're trying to pick it it has a mechanism to block it because there might say the way you'd normally open lops is you know put the probable and attention feel the leavers feel hot sticking it's got this weird contraption which is the spring-loaded bit here so the second you try and put tension on the bolt that even drops down and physically jongsu lock oh you'll notice of course and springs so now we have like what's sprung steel springs back

then it's just it just wants a breath and the springs built in again you see that a lot of old locks and many other things if some you know hardened steel plates weight would want to drill where the important bits are so again they've thought right will make most of the body of a brass but will reinforce these sections to make it more difficult to drill into I might say it's got this weird like active mechanism to try and stop you picking it I know my friend Nick was saying you know he uses lobsters an example of things are you know what look like some defenses and no there is there are active defenses in

them and like I say you know was designed some time eighteen hundreds I was digging this is what I have actually done a bit digging in so you know did it work what's the design effective well you know a lot of manufactures in the 1880s this articles in 2004 you've I'm like a you know like world-class safecracker had to end up drilling the things because it can't work out using sort of modern tech and modern tools how to get it open so yeah you know so interesting interesting note it's funny I think I think the chapel would be made them he ended up bankrupt I forget what it was there was a funny story about them you

know made all this money in lakhs and then lost it all but yeah more more antique safe locks again you know powder proof lock design B not huge medicine is inside so I thought this is you know the description on eBay was antique tons detector safe lock it's not a detector in the classic sense so Chum famously made a detector and the idea was that was it could tell if you over lifted some of the levers and it would physically there was a locking mechanism that would block that so they normally wouldn't work anymore so you could tell somebody tried to pick it a special King to come and undo it this doesn't have that it's more like the last one where

it's got you know something active to try and stop you stop you're picking stuff you have any other interesting thing is and this first block I put up it has a curtain the idea of a curtain is sort of I'll show him that slide it's this big round metal thing so the idea with that is you know if you think of animals or chemo but if you put a in and turn it but nothing happened you know you've still got a big hole there no idea if a curtain is it obscure cycle so as you turn the key you like this deal and gets covered off so you can't get tools in you can't see what's going on

the other thing is because it's um it's a solid piece of metal above you know you can't lock into the lock you can't get tools up in the lock shove him up with that because his detector lock somebody worked out that they could put a bit of like burning wiki and get super on the inside and they could use that suit to work out how the lock worked and to a pressure and stuff so he's like I'm not have enough will stick a curtain in it and again modern locks you know you start seeing that source nothing it's very common in you know leave a lot smaller slots or it well like into an external or more slots

not internal ones because again why would you want such a high school block internal door so yes the first lever just just holds the curtain in place behind that you've got the actual levers which there are six off the other thing about this when I bought it I looked at the key in it so I'm again it's just got some bit but some unnecessary cutting this is something I've never seen on any other than this one which was tans patent God so the idea is one of those levers actually has warding sticking out of it so if you locked in the pixels is the longer the shadow or if you are silence you know it's upside down so without the

key with that notch come in if you just put like a normal key in you're gonna lift that lever really really high and you can't get at the one it's protecting and lifting that lever really really high lifts this thing up with lots of stuff so again you're putting another it's a you know the other one got them and plop it this one lets up it's also got this this interesting scrub loaded thing that catches on that little hook if you do try and do try intention it and again a lovely lovely big heavy chunk of metal let me let's get the trouble but this is a hobby you know like carrying stuffing today I dread to

think how much weight I've lost or gained because they're not they're not light another interesting example so this is one I picked up in the Netherlands offer enjoys serves dual controls so the idea of thinking you know if you've got a safety deposit box in a bank and you don't trust them you need both keys to operate it I need to make metal because unfortunately I am the 3d printed one that came with it wasn't the most robust things it worked absolutely fine until I dismantled it and put it back together again and I think I might have overtighten something by getting idea is if you look at that one dismantle the fishier lock yet one

of my friends who actually posted a how-to guide online for me but but basically you take it apart and Springs and things go everywhere and you need to build some some semi complex tooling to get it all back together so I'm not risk that one yet but that's really simple you know that the list of terms which willing to allow that to you know slowly or not but then of course you've got believe it as well so I guess the the bank would have officiate key probably and you'd get the 3d printed piece and you know you need to turn the one before you turn the other but again a fairly you know fairly simple leave a lock

oh I so I don't lost my notes so yes it's so up till now all of this of course has been like one sided tools there's no you mean you don't get in a safe and open it from the inside out so we'll start looking at some some you know more recognizable things so again Ratna Ratna were in Victorian safe and a lot of manufacturing company I've got a Victorian reckon safe in Belfast in a warehouse I get over here but they're kind of difficult to move because they're big huge heavy things but the key Freight and I'm the safe itself I have no interested in but I want the lock and it's amazing I get

asked because our DEFCON group I open the pub we had it in the Arnold they had like little did you all keypad say if there isn't have a peaceful apparently this is common but people will and when they leave pubs like lock things up and take the keys away with them so I opened it because it was it was trivial it had a way for lock on it and I've never been in several pumps where people have mentioned and I'm you know like like up in a potato oh come come the cellar another lot can you open this say for this say for this safe because I say there's these old safes have been there

for god knows how long you know haven't been opened in ages that nobody has the keys for love probably indeed I'm gonna get we did want in none one of my friends was renovating a club in Mulvaney and there was no safe in there and I went luck fitness like there is no way I'm opening this but we'll help you strips on the furniture and take stuff out and we pulled a lot of shelving off a a wall and then from behind the back of it came the key or excellent what's inside it absolutely nothing there were two old five-pound notes but not legal tender anymore and like a bank repair insulin so again not not the best done

so face in the world but yeah so anyway right now Victorian for companies you know big heavy locks and again very very simple design would probably stand up significantly better to drilling them things and modern locks because it is just just there's more of it I think I might say that the interesting thing that it is the brass fringe is just another sports deal or they didn't want to use it getting into more modern stuff so I bought these late in the 90s when I was first started looking at legal ops pretty simple I say a lot more space again to and real evil lots of intended for internal doors if you're looking to open these and if

people have million with five Keys articular x' things are roughly key shaped I'm not really with thirty two or three levers there's only a certain number of possible profiles and see you know puppies in with them around and surprisingly often new work the other thing if you use is wheel picks I was told these are called on my locksmith friends disagrees and again the idea is you have fun just to note an object return that move two bits you put one against the ball try move it and use the other one feel that the leavers and again if there's you know if there's no features to like false caves and things to throw you off that they're not not

that difficult to open he says nothing practice it a long time the other thing of course but lever locks if you have one with people's on both sorry it is don't leave your keys on the inside because it's trivial to get things that you can just reach through and turn the key from the outside see so if you have obvious lock lock it and take the key em somewhere else because otherwise you know I'm just gonna come in I don't do it anyway buying random stuff online so partly the London Fire Brigades I guess if there's places they need to get to you fit locks they have the keys ready for there's two of them

apparently not number two and I looked at them it said this those keys look awfully awfully similar and sure enough when I start taking the locks part so basically it's a warning lock those little bit bits of metal are the wards so that the key has to have options for out this it and get past them it's only got a single lever it's a one will even lock so again not the most complicated of things but looking at it but so the difference between number one and number two is where they boarding so if you were to take you know either of those keys and cut out like the bits I'd covered over in black less the same cuts

currently that effectively what disappears it's a key that's just being heard you know any possible warding cut away and what you're left with will open or so I know when you have to carry one of them around with me not two of them obviously don't book endorse what the fiber gain is supposed to welcome that wouldn't be good we there again so as I started buying a bunch of modern just different manufacturers of locks just purely phone for practicing again these don't have lots of functions they're incredibly cheaply made wouldn't offer human protection you know is simple free leave example another simple freely for example not affected by Yale rather than last one zoom well-known

what brand and again this one I mean interesting in solve the the cheapness of manufacturing or how they're trying to reduce the costs because if you look at that one the solve bolt stop in these entries metal whereas if you look at these they're starting to make you have multiple bits met all sort of pin together and you know bits look on which again I guess is reducing cost I'm also not convinced that it's it's as strong as you know milling it have a single piece but but you know they're they're cheap they're not high security locks then you have a union one which is basically exactly exactly the same as the ill and again this is so-so Union

there one by our employee who seem to be buying up everything and again the trouble is this you know you might be unlocking shops and there's a huge range of ops and they're all actually made in the same factory this ax in standards yeah the other problem you have so this is a well I don't actually know who made this its pleasant it's advertises euro-spec sometimes is easy T there's a certain file logo on it who knows and again just a simple I'm instead a slash locks you you know you'd have a handle the spring-loaded bolt but a simple simple leave lock inside and again even more cheaply manufactured bolt now I started locking up the patent because I've got

pit number on brilliant I can research that and it's it's just nonsense so it seems to be something to do with them with being able to like reverse that hatch but if you look at like previous records you know they try to paint the in and everyone's the point east in thousands but there was like pittance in the 30s to do with that sort of stuff again I need to spend more time reading parents they're brilliant pittance if you can find them you know I'm searching for all sorts of stuff you know except although you know the top detect was painted by Robespierre did you know you can find clearly in some books I found pictures

left be taken since baton condition but I can't find the pigmentation as well as new stuff I'd buy you know I buy old secondhand stuff IV beer because I again you know how you get good at picking locks is you get lots of locks you don't learn to pick one descent or any good at picking that lock and this is so v even more slop rather than the three leavers we're looking up previously again it has curtain so if you looked on the right-hand side obviously with the key in the normal position you can see in the keyhole he way you know as soon as you turn stop turning the key the curtain drops in and you can't get the

tools in you can't see what's going on now these are starting to show more security features so if you lock coming again it's a generally heavy construction but if you look on the believers there's at Pastis so that means little notches cut it off see the real case is seasonal weather when the stock will slide in but you're trying to feel stuff a little stumble touch on that doesn't know it's in the right place so again decide to throw you off you know like like small pins mushroom pins and stuff in in pin tumbler picking exact same thing slightly different tools to work on them because obviously you've only got that little round hole in the middle

once the curve is activated so any tools you've got go through there so again you know thin bare wire so you can see on the other thumb there's like a channel running down the middle of the tools or the wire goes in that you put it in the lock turn it and then you know use the wire as before again tools to turn the key from the other side the lock if you leave it in so these ones went for previous ones for corkscrews would actually hit grab one two like the keeper thing these are just about like a tiny tiny little knob that will sit into the curtain and turn the curtain so if

the keys in you can get it that way am i doing for time okay I got you at the Netherlands give me this the lips lock lips is a Dutch manufacturing firm with again a long history and I just like this because it's you know you look at a song like little you know you caves five livor mortis and then you look at this thing it's it's bigger it's chunkier it's heavier and again you know it's um similar design notes and pictures issue heavily in the curtain words hasn't got a lot of the is good enough on skates or anything on it what it does have the ISM is drug protection some see most of its brass upon that big bit of

my cartons feel there which sits exactly the way you'd want to drill through you know if you were drilling in from the outside but again you know you see on safe locks and stuff it's it's to to slow people down make it harder you know make you use more drill bits more time set breath again so you know five more five level locks similar features for the other ones that's not really a huge meant see there again how do we make them more complicated well you've got more leavers in so somewhere if these are something tended to residential use these for like commercial properties and again just I mean the boy you can't tell from the

picture is how much that weighs compared with the other ones this is basically what hardened steel plates again if you want to try and drill into that it's gonna take you significantly more time and drill bits than the ones at home then starting to get into hockey and I went back to about savings but you know separately the safe locks a lot of these are intently think gun cabinets they all seem to come in a standard size so this is one that's it I mean it's not the the bulk modified to be connect to some mechanism in tight inside the safe but again fairly simple lock it's just it's got seven things wrong fewer I don't

think I know there's a couple again there's a couple you can see little false gates and I think three of the three relievers have got them like the looking from the left to top on the bottom one and then the bottom one on the right as well so you can see they've got like a little little lip again just to try and catch things and slow you down yet more of them and again you can pick these up really cheaply so I started buying a few to see how they work again I haven't yet making tools or anything to open them but it's not my list it's an interesting one so so tan Stratford chrome of novum so again it's

some care how many of us might leave us this one certain you see again it's got this so the outside something that would be off the episode the ball piece it's got this hardened steel plate again just in exactly the point where when it's locked the stop lifting from this ProLiant but which part there's nothing cool bit in place so they've added hot and steel plating to try and stop it again it's a lovely thing not a weird thing about this is it's only got a single spring worth on the other locks you know each lever had its own spring so differences in Springs you might be able to used it in some way this one just has one spring that drives

everything it also has I want to take this apart like the levers don't come out one by one they come out like it's a pack so you don't this lovely lovely brush by releasing presumably you can't get them up I've seen people selling like just the leaver packs and keys online without the bodies and I thought well why if they've like this stuck them together like sup and it's how they come and like I say it as yeah so there is one spring which is all of them so again you only have a single sprint there's gonna be no variations in spring tension and again it's got if you look at the the picture top right you know it's got a lot of

false gates some of the real gates so again you know design to slow you down when you're opening it what's up from a nine level off or the tenth Eva lock so again a hand chroma plunger lock and that you can tell I mean again we were discussing keys earlier in the room you can tell walks are intended to be popped behind big drawers they have really long piece this one's quite interesting because it actually comes with a long key in a sharpie and the heads interchangeable see the swapping around which is a nice design and again it's you know big heavy solid thing you know it would be behind about significantly large door against

its curtain it but otherwise similar the others just just more leave us more leavers and what's a step up from a 10 leave a lock hole well I need a forty level off this one's interesting that has two stops so everything we've got that before you know has a single stop that moves this has got one top and one bottle so really it's it's two seven lever locks in one obviously the key moves move Bertha once and again you can see this has got this has got table pulse gates and stuff in it and again you know taking these a box brilliant you just remember which order things in but let's say a lovely lovely

bit there the action on them is really smooth look at this things there it's gonna be look big heavy your knives so they they're really nice another thing is thinking about thinking about if you want to like change somebody like we've you know we take apart pin tumbler the public gather again I said easy ish with the right tools but if you want to if you want to change the keying on a lock like this you know you're gonna have to get in the safe takes a lot off safe take it apart you know put it back together with different leavers in there like keys it's an amendment work so somebody clever I came up this idea of

what will have a mechanism by which you don't have this map wall up tricky it and I've got a couple of examples of these which I think they're it minutes it's ingenious so this is a variant be so 11 levers which has over 60 million possible pian combinations so again you've gone from the days of what rock I can make 20 keys that will open everything possible lock till I'm not making 60 million keys or standing there trying them one at a time and this thing's it's this is the first sip ever got somebody get me this is a gift 44 con years ago and it's beautiful and I used to take the case off and you show

people look at the mechanism this because you know when you put the key in and turn it do these bits or fan out and I don't see that this slot into various their people surely did wow that's really pretty and turn it upside down and all the internals would fall out so I got really good at putting this back together in fact I made a CTF challenge arounds putting this back together but I never I never took anything out beyond those plates and then that the leave a bits until I was getting ready for this so I didn't realize it's got a retaining mechanism so the idea being you you open them up with the real key you slide the

thing on the back then take the key out then you but the key you wanted to be in turn it slide the thing again and it's now set for that key so again you don't have to do smuggle anything you just have to have the old key in the new cheat and well and access to the lock obviously so again I started taking apart you know taking bits I would take those I can understand riffing to us back the very bottom bottom either again it's not stuff that it's shared Springs and there's this locking mechanism so so that like that lap today hittin that bit but it's over and that isn't again I guess to stop you trying to move the

ball to oh yeah that leader is the thing that actually slides the ball tips to the top and check it I have at the bottom and then this is the mechanism once you get all that over the way and take the book away so there's a little holding back a little plastic switches there plastic bits don't you very model of that but that basically controls this arm and when that arm swings into place it push itself is the end this is the balls on the bottom of the ball there's this spring-loaded it and if you look at the picture twenty sites inside the lesson walk walk less so when you reopen up with the real key slide that thing

and then close again basically that they slide back at which point none of these plates are connected and they're free to move around so then you put the real pin set it the way you want to be on slide it and it will pop back in and you've just received the love without having to dismantle anything or take anything apart so you know mix it I hesitate there is the word idiot-proof I haven't tried it yet I have today I have a second key for it so this afternoon I'm gonna go and see if I can if I can get it working and swap it from one keep the other into I I understand the theory of

how it should work it's just whether it does or not but you know if you hear swearing that'll be when it's gone horribly wrong and again you know I mean it obviously this is a significantly more complex locks and someone's not but previously lots more bits metal although I guess clever design because a lot of those bits of metal are identical so you're just making lots of the same thing and putting it all together I think this is a final offer or almost at the end so this is what is this this is from fire-safe recovered so again I'm you know I keep an eye on eBay for people who are and in fact I've got chained to a few people

who who solve restoring passives you know for a hobby or a living and I looked at this one and it messed with my head to begin with until I worked out what was going on because again it looks horribly complex inside so on on the back of it there's this this this knob you can twist which is to do with the rekey mechanism and the nice instructions of exactly how you use it again try to make idiot-proof oh the other thing is some another long key this one but you can unscrew the end off so up by the handle this you turn much you could you know if you can see he blanks without the throw the entire key away

but yes inside this looks a bit weird because you've got like so I'll leave or within the leaver and again I looked at listen is well what on earth does this work but you know from reading the instructions I'm looking at it so basically you know you put the key in you do it half turn you turn it up on the back and what that does is it holds this sort of we don't push is really basically it disconnects easier T so much on the upside again you've got your pulse is trying picking it but but internally these teeth and the normal operation they don't move but when you turn that thing on the back this

separates so then you could buy a new key and realign them turn the knob back and again you've now got a saver that differently without referring to and to have done any tricky work in taking apart I mean genuinely like working on lever locks there are done site easier to take apart and pin tumblers you normally like you need a screwdriver and maybe a pair of tweezers and that's about it I'm yet to have any explode horribly whereas if you look at some of the other high security locks I've got did you know that there are going to be springing pins and sidebars and stuff flying everywhere these are very easy to work on which is why I myself don't like

them so much so yeah so so that is not quite now but we're getting on for I I said I've got a lot of other locks like I've got you know I but this is here a lot so I've got all sorts of weird in a pinch the variance I've got also bizarre things I've never seen in dimple up soy deluxe you know all sorts of driver stuff like genuinely thought I would have time today to talk about you know another hundred lots Arthur but I guess not but like I said on my mind I might end up on YouTube if anybody wants to watch me take LOX apart and swear a lot I will take better photos all of these

were just done with my phone I need to get like a proper set up with some decent lighting a better camera especially if I'm going to publishing online but yeah yes so you know if I haven't bored you enough today that you know I may well be talking future events I am talking at security but about something completely different so yeah that is enough for me any questions a 3d printing so I have a friend who is is designing mocks for fun because he's trying to desert a guy we know who is ridiculously good at lock-picking and my friend is trying to design a lock but he will not be able to pick and he saw

prototyping stuff in in cut what off really printed I think mostly cut wood I guess he's gonna you know eventually he will manufacture it something proper I don't know I don't know be strong enough if you feel I mean ok you can you can 3d printing that look on you but I don't lie saying I mean a lot of it seems to be you know is it like stamped metal or milled metal I have not seen any but I might it wouldn't surprise me eventually I am NOT currently rubbish so no people people ask me like like a lot you know should I sure I get really expensive locks my house and it's like no it's a

waste of money so find the cheapest approved lock that your insurance provider will approve massive dot that's what I've done so I have now that lots of my house of dope I mean the trouble is but because of the people I know is so let's know why no people will be able to pick them and also you know if I look at your house and you've got really expensive locks when you must have really expensive stuff you're protected other thing is you know weed no no you know the thief isn't gonna come and like pick your locks I gotta smash your window I'll just kick the door down or you know climb on the roof and carve old roof or you know that

there aren't these these like master thieves going around you know spending time it's just it's not in their interests you know they just want to like smash your window and drop your telly so unless I mean your thing is you know like because you get you know like different star it is rock it's like you know there's no point putting the five-star rated lock on a door that's like what star rated so again it's like now spend more money reinforcing the knife to the doll but yeah less therefore for the muses how many of your five commercial premises may be differently so some of the places I've worked like you have a significantly better locks that's funny I recommend

locksmiths housing Illinois I wasn't sure if I'd got the right place because there wasn't enough under how it is what Dennis is is top drive when the security lights came on and we looked at the front door and I see a lot feathers here because it was like Fort Knox vanilla Sally my personally I prefer I say having having a big animal I mean what my dogs actually ridiculously soft you probably help you carry the stuff out people don't know that it's funny my again my my little half has locked herself out when I've been away and that's not going I'm friends with some local locksmiths also about myself can you go over there Lorena's and she says

he'll turn up and they'll be like yeah doors open now you can open it's like no no I can hear what's inside so yeah I say this it's no defense-in-depth locks and backup protection I genuinely I really really like that one but my health that things because I said that was that was the first sort of decent walk I ever got given and it's the one I spent the most time with the chrome a protector I've got which is my friends absolute favorite he will not shut up a bit it's a very clever design the way it works I haven't their take that part yet cuz I'm terrified I'll be able to get it back yeah although it is apparently

reasonably simple if you're careful that people notice what comes out where when but yeah let's say I personally like that one just because it was I say it was the first first decent lot my god yeah no it's it's it's a clever design but then again there's a lot of that that's why don't you know that's what fascinates me about them is you know you start with something and then there's some weird and wacky you know design choices that we made and sort of you know stood the test like the code you know wasn't ready years ago we still have them but then there are big things along the way though we've got this idea

know and then things like the electric 30c which has a internal mechanism I don't think I've seen enough of the same and I say I'm that did stand the test of time but you know that the design and thought that goes into them is um yeah it's training it any any more free more or can I get on up go on

so brass is self-lubricating serve over time it's not gonna like rostam need special treatment I guess it's easy to work with I mean again they tend to put you know bits of steel where they've meant but it's it's if you look at you know some modern pin tumblers you know they will put like steel pins in or little steel plates to make them more difficult to drill but they won't manufacture the entire thing out of Steel well I think the self-lubricating thing is a big part of it you know they will keep working they'll just keep working you won't have to oil them and yeah they weren't roasts yeah because of course you don't want the internal

mechanism across thing up and you again enough to destroy the long open it this also softened the way he no energy no no the trouble floki slow it down because of course they do make no keys ever steals and yeah I can I say locking locking up some of the older locks I've got you can definitely see where over time I said bits couched in and because you're rubbing steel against Bryson machine stuff no no so you just have to have a tool that goes it goes through the RAM bit again it clever clever design I mean it also stops you because you know but if you can see you can perhaps work out how things

occurred or so again the fact that it's completely included all of that I say it's not just the fact that the curtain comes in which is an issue it's also the fact that when it's in place you can't block up inside the lock body I mean you know when you're you know when you're sore looking at looks to work overtime that's like what can I see inside I you know get that what can i what can I understand about what's going on internally that completely stops any of that and I say then when you finally turn it the only space you've got tiny little holes you're limited to whatever tools you get in that way unless you

start drilling holes in it all I mean again a lot of you know safe opening is knowing where to drill the holes to get things in to have a things out the way ought to be able to see the internal mechanisms you know feel a bit better I mean there are people who open safes that slightly based on feel like I still think a lot of it is now I need to know the template for where I drilled that you know get that stump or just get something or I can see see the levers again I have not done no professional safe work is something I aspire to but but you're not like see if while

technicians all I know to lock Pickers what lot because are to people who don't open walks again they're very secretive because obviously there is significant amount of money protecting what they do but yeah anyone else or can I go back to my room and or lunch and or good watch another talk I think it's Glenn on