BSidesATL 2020 - Protect: The Hacker Hippocampus: Meet your brain on games

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in-kind sponsors ec-council for online training and secure code warrior for the virtual CTF crosshair information technology Joe gray and offensive security and pentester lab made contributions for our raffle be sure to go to the raffle giveaways channel to sign up for that there's some really great prizes in there drop a pen on our map so we can see where everybody is hailing from and with that I will hand it over to Chloe all right wonderful hi everyone my name is Claire Asahi and today we're gonna talk about your brain when you're doing games so basically this is gonna be more geared towards GTS like betting and whatnot so let's dive in now the first thing to note about

this this is my first time doing a virtual version of this and this is an interactive talk so to kick us off and get us started make sure you are signed in slack because we're gonna be doing activities together I'm going to share my screen can everyone see my screen I take that as a yes I'm hoping it's a yes let's put it that way all right so what I want everyone to do right now is there are gonna be activities throughout this and so basically what's gonna happen is that I'm keeping tabs of everyone when they give any answers in the slack so make sure you're in track I I think protect so good track protect

and once you're in there there's gonna be throughout this thing there's some times where I'm gonna ask you questions now the people who participate will be able to have a chance to get 0.3 escalate a subscription for one month for free now whoever answers the most correctly will get that one month subscription but don't worry I will give out another one and this will be a raffle so if you participate and you have provided at least one correct answer you have an opportunity as well to win a one one scription on Esteli and if you're wondering what escalate is it basically is what we use for our CTX so you could do from home and so on so

let's get started so first my name is Chloe Misaki I am the VP of strategy over at point three security and also the co-founder of Bocek and I had the SF chapter and when I'm not doing that I'm also the founder woman hackers this is a virtual platform that basically non-binary and women can connect together and hack at all levels so we have workshops we have basically share anything about CTS and whatnot so if you or someone who's out there who feels like you want to join gme and let's make that happen other than that i am an organizer for the hacker book club so we are just wrapping up Tara at wheelers book on women in tech and we will be

starting in about two weeks of what Marcus Carey's tribe of hackers so basically with this book club we read the books from the hacker community and the hacker community reads them and participates so yes we do have the authors do join us for our sessions last but not least if you see in the very bottom corner on the right side and you will have the opportunity at the very end of this you'll get to meet my little pup named Sherlock and that is her at the very bottom with a little diaper on and yes she looks like she is the she's quite peaceful whatnot but act like you know when she puts on any clothes she stands still she hates it

completely so I'm going to turn off my camera so I can focus now on that my presentation I hope you guys don't mind but let's dive into this so this is the agenda today there's going to be some history on gamification also how our brains are stimulated by it and why gamification helps security teams and lastly we'll talk a little bit about how gamification has transformed lives a QA and bonus I used to do a funny video but since I'm actually at home with all you guys you guys actually get to see a little bit live of Sherlock which you see over there in the right side that is her in her happy face and yes she is a

Shiba and it is a cat / dog / Fox all right so what is gamification so gamification is basically games that work on problem-solving processing speed attention span and memory and we're gonna dive into the history gamification now this is the driest part but if you focus and pay attention you might win something very special so here we go at 425 EC dice games were created to actually fight major famine and in 3100 BC a first board game was created in Egypt S&H Green Stamps marketers sold stamps to retailers who used them to reward customers 1958 first video game was invented char's kordon found it a consulting firm called game of work and it brings feedback loops and found in

sports into the workplace mu d1 is created by Rob Shaw at Essex University it is the first multi-user virtual world game Thomas Malone he published what makes things fun to learn aged city of interesting mode of ating computer games and 1981 was the first ever third 3d video game that was released American Airlines actually introduces advantage the first frequent flyer program known today and holiday and watch is their first loyalty program national car until launches the first car rental rewards program and at this time now 30% of American households owned an NES a new generation of gamers is now born and Richard Bartle polishes who plays M UAS which divides video game players into four unique types all right

like I said make sure you're all are in the slack channel and if you do not know and you came in late it is the track protect there we go and what year did the first video game come out whoo good job RJ and everyone else you all paying attention are you taking screenshots just asking next what country invented the first board game

yes you're right Angelica it is Egypt what airline did the first frequent flyer program good job rune all right let's continue so the timeline here now is now we're in 2002 and serious gaming initiatives forges the link between the gaming industry and realizing it actually helps when it comes to training health education and public policy in 2003 Nick telling coins the term gamification in 2007 bunch ball created dunder-mifflin infinity a gamified website for the TV show The Office it receives over 8 million pageviews in six weeks in 2009 quest to learn accepts a class of sixth graders into a gay based learning environment and in 2010 deaf hub adds a point system to its website and increases its user

engagement by 70 percent in 2010 gamification Co holds the first gamification summit guess where San Francisco and in 2012 45,000 enroll in a Professor Kevin Warbucks online gamification course which was third Coursera and in 2012 Mozilla opens badges Initiative is the launch the open source badges can be used to mark the accomplishments online 2012 gartner predicts that 70% of global 2000 organizations will have at least one gamified application by 2014 and in 2014 m2 Research predicts that gamification will be a 2.8 billion dollar industry by 2016 which is true and it went beyond it is now expected to become 11 billion dollar industry this very year all right don't worry there's plenty of more time

to win here we go oops sorry who coined the term gamification

Shaw was an SF but who coined the term gamification I have to admit this one is the hardest question usually all right we'll go to the next one it's Nick tell me what was the gamified website by bunch ball for the TV show the office called yes RJ good job gamification is expected to become a blank billion dollar industry by 2000 Wow everyone I think it was Zach good job Zach all right that's the end of the pop quiz time or is this a trick it will be a mission but let's dive right back into the presentation so fact InfoSec has always been gamified think about it CTF hackathons bug many many of us became hackers to beat games

and do better than our peers who are better than us we found cheat codes and other methods for doing so but most importantly when we hunt for bones it's like a game of how far does the foxhole go it's the constant how can I outsmart this and that so of course I'm going to do an InfoSec timeline and there's way shorter than the previous ones so pay attention October 10 1995 Netscape launches the first ever cash reward for finding security bugs in their Netscape Navigator 2.0 beta and the first DEFCON CTF was in 1996 both betting programs were created and managed by companies such as Google Facebook and Mozilla and those type of platforms are bugcrowd

hacker lawn and cynic Ponte owned started in 2007 and bugged many platforms were founded in 2012 and 2013 now if you think about it today companies are using platforms like this to provide training for their security teams more than ever before and that includes actually the company that I work for a point three so I promise it's back another round of a pop quiz time the first bug bounty program was created in what year 1985 good job Eric when was the first CTF at DEFCON up Zach 1996 good job what are the three major bug Bank of in the order of creation

Angelica you are close Zek you are correct it's bugcrowd hacker 1 and cynic that is the end of pop croissant but don't worry this is a complete game if I talk so there's a lot more so now we're gonna dive into a little bit about how our brains are stimulated by it and first we're going to get to know your brain so if you see here those pop quiz questions stimulate the green section of the brain the temporal lobe and now we're going to dive into that area and the area where gamification thrives so what is the temporal lobe the temporal lobe is involved in processing sensory input and to derive minions for their appropriate

retention of visual memory language comprehension and emotion Association this is where a gamification thrives and when the medulla and hippocampus are and yes there's an activity you guys ready rolling up sleeves unless you're wearing a t-shirt if you are then pretend all right fill in the blank I would say shout the answers out but you're not here so you can do the write in it you ready a plant having a permanently woody main stem usually growing to a high height and developing branches at some distance from the ground what is it yes trees alright the nutritious orange to yellow root of a plant of the parsley family yes and I like carrot an article of

furniture consisting of a flat top supported on one or more legs yes Eric table an institution where instruction is given school correct a moving carriage for carrying pastures from one level to another yes Jordan elevator a device for transmission of sound or speech to a distant point phone Lily good job a body of water of considerable size surrounded by land yes we're like it's like a domestic fowl bred for its flesh eggs and feathers yes sherry it is a chicken hey shallow usually circular dish from which food is eaten plate good job a perspiration in the form of ice crystals yes and it is snow any circulating medium of exchange currency correct that one's a hard one

all right so what does activity did was that a control different parts of your brain first it test out your imagery and your memory but also it was about timing so the medulla helps with the timing part the hippocampus helps with your memory connecting visual and a word along with it so what is the hippocampus exactly it's the memory storage and GPS system of your brain what does that mean it's where short-term memories in the hippocampus are then transferred to long-term memories in the temporal lobe our conscious memories are formed by the hippocampus taking a snapshot of short-term working memory and committing it to a long-term memory stored in the temporal lobes another activity you guys

ready we're gonna test your hippocampus now the previous will is temporal loop this time its hippocampus and here we go I want you to look at this list I want you to read it to yourself I'll give you read through once then a second time

all right next step now the next step is the following you have two minutes to complete this task so what I'm going to ask you to do is draft an email a doc or pull up a notes app on your computer I will give you ten seconds to get this done so on your computer open somewhere where you can take down notes everyone ready all right now you're going to do is write down those objects that you just saw in the order that they appeared you have two minutes to complete this task ready set and go you have two minutes

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you have one minute and 26 seconds

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you have less than one minute you're now linking towards 52 seconds

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you have 18 seconds now five four three two one and you're done wasn't that hard that was super hard I'm not gonna lie this is the list so I know that was really hard to do and it is very hard to do but this is what people that have memorization they play these contests and whatnot these competitions and basically what they do is they think of a game and and by a game I think of a memory so what you do is when you see a list like this you want to memorize things you want to come up with something that's really crazy so for example I was walking around in London and carrying an umbrella because it was

raining and I noticed my shoe was untied but when I was going to look down and like tie it I saw there was a cuddly toy on the side of the road and it was weird because right next to it was a like a melon that was like rotting right underneath this tree and then I just I start walking again and then I almost tripped because I was looking at what I just saw looked like a pirate but I almost actually tripped on this yogurt because the and I I don't know why that yogurt was there but it was there and then the parrot was on that pirate so I was really distracted but I'm so glad I

didn't fall because I have to admit my laptop was in my bag and would have been destroyed and not just that my red jumper and this red jumper means a lot because I this is what I usually wear when I go and play basketball so this is how people memorize these things it's a visual you have to connect the visual with the word to be able to recall the details so in order to improve your hippocampus research has shown that crossword puzzles take in a new route home meaning don't take the same every time we'll help you improve your hippocampus and also guinea modules believe it or not so let's dive into the amygdala now and then make deals my

favorite part of the brain because it is a survival mechanism the fight versus flight and basically what that means is it helps separates who is like me who is not like me and these are socially constructed beliefs so say for example someone told you always be afraid of the person with pink hair now this my this is like one of those ideas that as a child you're told people with pink hair are dangerous individuals so what happens is that every time you see someone with pink hair you might hold your purse a little bit closer or you might cross the street because you see this person with pink hair now the problem is with that is that this is

also the reason why we have so many prejudice and biases and we have a lot of issues in our society because we have these ideas that we are told as a child or through media or whatnot that are actually not true because the personal in pink hair just has big hair doesn't mean anything other than that so they always that we question that is if we actually hear their stories that's the only way that we question are socially constructed beliefs but don't worry that Magilla the check same with a prefrontal cortex the front part of your brain to see whether or not it needs to react so no longer is it something that subconscious it becomes conscious but

then Migdalia the most important part of this it works on timing then amygdala is an almond-shaped section of your nervous tissue located in the temporal side lobe of the brain which is responsible for your emotions your survival instincts in your memory and you really like I said you can't control it only the prefrontal can because it is completely self conscious but this is what we use one word on a time me counting down those minutes those seconds earlier that forces you to react faster but also for you to speed up the way that you think all right we're gonna do another activity now and hopefully my sound works very well because this is a video here we go

can you actually hear this can someone put in there if you can hear it or not nope okay don't worry now let's try watch this series of images very closely ready shoes or keys at this beach oh this I don't see either the shoes or the keys did you see them this time you probably did now we're gonna play a different series of it did anyone see the keys or the shoes okay you guys are really good majority of people do not see that now here we go again you ready images and test you on the master ready snakes spiders it slowed down the images I assure you we did not all we did was substitute the shoes and

keys with pictures of snakes and spiders why did one set of images jump back while the other didn't that question you do not need to know from Caron I'm gonna teach you and so the one thing up I'll just go back to this so just to briefly summarize that what happened was that for many people they didn't catch the keys ant I mean the keys on the shears because it's everyday items but when your amygdala is on fire in other words when we see things that we were socially constructed to believe of a threat so spiders and snakes are one of those things that we've been told like stay away they're really really dangerous that's the

reason why we actually freaked out and so we actually pay faster attention so remember your amygdala can actually take over to some extent and I don't know if anyone's ever been in a car accident before but if you have there's a moment when you've had really bad ones where everything seems like it's in slow motion now what this is called is amygdala hijack it's when you no longer have control of your prefrontal part of your brain instead what's happening is your medulla has taken over completely so everything seems a lot slower because you're a hundred percent focus on that very moment because of fear and you're in survival mode so you'll go in this when your survival mode and so just

remember that the amygdala and the hippocampus play a huge role when we're doing gaming and if you are really scared of spiders or snakes I feel you I hate I hate spiders with yeah I hate spiders all right so let's talk a little about how now why I'm gamification helps security teams let's be real serfs are not enough there's new tools and new exploits that come out all the time and being aware of everything at all times and the trends along with burnout lack of team members it leaves us in a huge security risk so I mean how many of you guys have experienced a shortage on your team and having to take on other hats to help

everything move along

a lot all the time right I feel you Cherie an RJ hmm and that's exactly the problem is that's why we need to dive into sorry I'm losing my voice let's dive into why it's needed more than ever and how it's becoming a priority for the intersect community in 2020 gamification combined with the other latest technologies and trends will have a significant impact on the design of employee performance globalization of higher education and innovation let's dive into some more facts shall we and if you hear my dog right now she is nipping me because she wants attention Sherlock it's okay honey I'll be there in a little bit later all right I have fact number one within

organizations that whole gamification exercises hackathons and capture the flag Red Team Blue Team or plug Daddy programs are the most common and almost all 96% of those use gamification in the workplace report seeing actual benefits fact number two more than half 57 percent of respondents report that using game increases awareness IT staff knowledge of how breaches can occur and 43% said gamification enforces a team work culture needed for a quick effective cybersecurity program and 77% of senior managers agree that their organization would be safer if they use more gamification fact 3 we are now heading towards a three million shortage of personnel to address the shortage and skilled cybersecurity workers the reports suggest that gamers those engage in

immerse in online competitions may be the logical next step to plug in the gap nearly all 92 percent of respondents believe that gaming affords players an experience and skills critical to cyber security threat hunting such as logic perseverance and understanding of how to approach adversaries and a fresh outlook compared to a traditional cyber security hires sure like please stop fighting me alright back for 77 percent of employees find game based training to be more effective than traditional training methods that's right how many you guys remembered what you learn in the class and when you were in fifth or sixth grade do you ever remember this pop quiz test back then yeah I didn't think so

reading in a book is great and everything but many of us don't learn that way practical and action ways of like basically where it's hands-on is the fastest way for us to learn knowledge fact 5 biases resumes and team building learning how to improve teams and providing more trainings and investment and employees is the most important thing and gamification helps a finding talent recognition and how do they do that well I'm not trying to plug my my company in but we do have something that basically it's a program that you can use to see if a candidate is actually able to do their role or their job so basically think of a gamified version of

their role and then testing them to see if they're good at what they do I think of it this as a better way because I don't know about you Bisons do exist so if I put out a resume out there and being a woman and whatnot they may not see me as something technical because of my gender and because of that they are not going to take me as seriously through the pipeline so one of the things is by getting rid of names and getting rid of this whole thing about certs as showing everything that the person is able to do their job why not just test them so we get rid of the resume idea we forget about certs

because at the reality of this an InfoSec it really doesn't matter it's about do you have what it takes to do this role and that's all we need to know is are you able to perform because serfs aren't going to do anything in a sense they're really gonna help you get into the door the doorway I want that but it's really your ability to perform and here's some experience is also misleading because you can have less than one or two years of experience and actually be a top performer and we have seen that and research has seen that as well it's how performers don't usually have the certs or actually have the years of experience that jobs are

requiring for a job role and because of that we now also are dealing with a shortage but we also have a skills gap and because think about it skills gaps are also happening because it's we're not having the time to learn new material or we don't have time to do other things so how are we going to practice our own skills it's really challenging especially if you have kids and especially when you're like right now at home having to stay at home and you have kids running around it's hard to find time and with the skills gap and everything it's also pushing people to burnout because they're having to force themselves to learn really fast

especially when they have less team members and then also at this point it also adds up to having breeches later on and tell me you guys what is the percentage of companies that adopt a gamification workplace report seeing benefits Anjelica 96% good job so we talked a little bit into you know the stats of gaming we've got into the brain now we're gonna dive a little bit about what Gamma Phi Gamma finishin has done to transform lives and what's importantly gamification has can teach us and lead new people to enter the space or to be recognised for their talent and this could solve the gender biases that InfoSec has been dealing with ongoing and it's not just gender

it's anyone who's underrepresented in this field is really struggling to get their foot in the door and also to stay within it so gamification can really help us with the three million personnel shortage right now and I want to tell you a little bit about Veronica so Veronica she has a BA and computer science and this is by accident she planned to actually study Latin and Greek but also took a computer science class but when leaving college she started having no more of an interest of starting a PhD instead so but she wanted to make sure if this is for her not so she did youth development for about five years after graduating she loved it but

she didn't feel like a challenge her in the way that inspired and empowered her so she was basically looking around seeing if there was anything out there a program and she came across a partnership with the DoD boot camp and it drew her to it they were saying in there you don't have to have any experience whatsoever in InfoSec but they're looking for people that are good at problem solving ability and being able to work on problems for a long time and willingness to do discipline learning and that was all that they put in the blurb they also say that you need to be open to working with patterns and puzzles so she started the reverse

engineering challenge and this was all on the escalate platform and afterwards because she was so good is that she went to go work for a consulting company for about six months with an InfoSec right after that program and her favorite thing was reverse engineering her actual title at the time was a consultant as a pen tester and afterwards 0.3 basically try to pulled her in and so they shared that they had it opening was wondering if she would like to join because her performance was so amazing during the boot camp and so now she works with us and spent over a year now she never set out to be a hacker you should know this but what she

did realize is that if she were to go through her Google search she would look into seeing that she was always wondering about web app strategies and how one can manipulate to change and shape even when she was doing her you development for about five years after graduating the next person is Valentina Valentina she lives in Chicago Illinois and she first studied psychology and wasn't a big fan of math yeah she took a math class in college and slowly discovered she happened to have a love for math which is very common for many of us how many of us have gone into like we're doing math back in school before at college and we're like this is the

worst thing in the world and then suddenly you go to college like oh wait this is math this is so much better so she went to school then to study math at UIC and she did an undergrad internship in the physics department which she had to learn basic coding and took some classes in computer science as well after she became an economist at the Federal Reserve back a bank and then discovered there was a passion in computers the ability to tell what a computer what to do and build anything was something that was really empowering for her and she really want to learn a little bit more and computer-security sounded really interesting maybe because of hacking and hacking always sounded

really pretty cool to her plus she saw it in movies and just it was seem so interesting and her favorite favorite favorite movie at the time that inspired her was movie hackers and it was that early computer internet culture and the hacker community image that she really it drew her to it so when she saw a press release from the mayor of Chicago there was something on there saying they're looking for applications for a special boot camp which was sponsored by Escalade and DOD and this once again a dance state you have to have an InfoSec background a computer science background you just need to know to have that passion for puzzles and this tenacity to never keep

looking and whatnot so she had zero experience remember she only really knew basic coding and took like a class in computer science economist not not but with zero experience within the first three months of her six-month boot camp she got a job immediately as a software developer and now she's a vulnerability researcher which is fantastic and honestly there's a lot of other stories that I've heard but I would love to hear if any of you guys have have a story that's similar to any of Veronica or Valentina and yes that is Sherlock there I have an obsession with my puppy um so tell me you guys which person was inspired by the movie hackers Valentina a good job Jeremy and yes I

love wargame sherry it's such an awesome movie all right um from stories brain function and history it is clear that gamification is a necessity so we can all be superheroes every single day and I want to share now in the last bit here is that on Thursday we launched a hack to help CTF so if I were you guys if you're interested in doing a CTF this is perfect everyone is able to do this and the grand prize winner will have the opportunity to have a point three to write a donation on behalf of their honor to either mental health hackers or innocent lives which is very very important to do and we're also looking at some other orgs on case

if the winner wants to pick another one they'll have a chance to we're looking at the food bank so make sure to check out this it's a lot of fun and it's three weeks rep like long so you need to participate now in the first release then there's a second one and whatnot and I will definitely post the link in slack um also this is a really important time to note that there are some resources that I may have shared or may have not shared so I wanted to take this time to do that many of you guys probably were on the earlier presentation from Melissa Miller but her and Phil Wiley and myself we are all involved with the itsp

magazine uncommon journey podcast we basically interview people like that you guys like to follow on Twitter and we asked them about their personal lives before they got into InfoSec and what were the lessons learned when they entered so it's really fun to you check it out what not the hacker book club is something that I created recently so it's basically we read like books are written by hackers in our community and the community that we are in also reads them and anyone can join we have weekly virtual meetings it's every Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific time people bring their wine to bring their beer or whatnot or drinking your water or tea it's up to

you and then we will be starting a new book in about two weeks time with Marcus Carey it's gonna be tribe of hackers it's a great book and you may have heard or may have not heard yet but I did create an ethical hackers write petition and there's the link right there and I would love for you guys to sign it I'm trying to get a thousand signatures so if I get a thousand signatures I can work and partner with DOJ DoD and AFF it's really important that we get all these signatures and go beyond a thousand so we can do something about this and try to change the landscape that we are currently still in very much

so so please sign it or share it around it's super important for us to do that last but not least I did start up a hacker community Cove in nineteen volunteer chat support this is not for crisis or whatnot this is for us to be like pen pals kind of thing but through phone calls basically I partnered up with mental health hackers and what we're doing is we're trying to find volunteers before we launch this program this upcoming week so anyone can register to talk to someone anywhere between ten minutes - one hour long and it's a really great opportunity because many of us feel isolated and alone and we want to talk to someone so this is a great

opportunity to make new friends possibly you could talk about whatever you want from books to Netflix or to even how you're feeling if you're concerned your worries or whatnot this is a great opportunity we need to be together as a community more than ever before also here are some two other ones that are really important if you do talk to anyone who is suffering a lot and they need to talk to someone there's a crisis text line and it's a great organization it actually has therapists online they're certified and whatnot so they're able to help you this is great to share with your friends and family if they need it and also a national suicide

prevention hotline if you are feeling it really deep in depression and you having some interesting thoughts interesting but terrible thoughts dark thoughts whatnot please call that line it's really important I know that all of us have lost someone at some point of time because of suicide so please push those two out there for everyone in the community to know it is super important right now for them to know that these are these resources while we go through this really hard time I'm going to open up to questions anyone have any questions

Zach I'm glad that you know this one isn't it so good if anyone has not seen this YouTube video it will definitely make you laughed just type and David s pumpkin SNL you will love it I guarantee you it will make you laugh at the beginning you might be like what the hell is this why did Chloe do this but honestly it is fantastic and amazing and I think you'll love it and it's always good to laugh right now um any other questions anyone if you feel a little bit shy asking questions you're always welcome to DM me on Twitter my DMS are always open and also you can DM me here on slack and I just want to say

a big thank you to be set to Lana for doing this this virtual thing and also for having me and I'm so thrilled to be here and with you guys I just want to also say and I always end it with thank you for existing because as I said earlier we all know someone who has felt isolated alone and I just want you to know that there's a wonderful community here that would love to support you in any single way possible so if you're feeling like you need to talk to someone my dads are always open for you and I just want you to know thank you for existing because you're doing such incredible work by being in this field

and taking the time to try to figure out and learn more about the community that we live in so thank you so much and last but not least if you are wondering oh yeah who are the winners let's go into it right now so Matt Cable congratulations I need you to DM me either on Twitter on slack so I can get you your 1 month subscription to congratulations and I'm now going to take a random I'm using this wonderful random picker to generate who will be our second winner so hold on one sec let me press this all right Angelica congratulations you are a winner for the second one so you'll get one month subscription too so

please DM me either on Twitter or on slack so I can give you your one month subscription so once again you guys thank you so much for existing thank you to be sighs Atlanta my dams are always open so if you ever want to reach out to me at any point time please let me know I'm around I'm always gonna be here to support you and that is what I like to do the most out of all that I do in InfoSec so thank you so much everyone and oh wait hold on you may see Sherlock I will go get Sherlock hold on one second yes please we always need good right Sherlock okay one sec she's coming

this is Sherlock Sherlock hi good let's say hi no okay this is sure like you guys yes she she weighs about 30 33 pounds I think she put on some weight around the holidays she is roughly about almost two years old she turns to in June and yes she is a Shiba and yes she has her own personality it's beyond anything nice but thank you Chloe Thank You Sherlock for being our moral support here so our next talk in this track is at 3 o'clock so we have about a 40 minute break here so we will see you back then thanks Chloe thank you thanks for having me